'the same...as' versus 'the same...with'

[Iwanna]

Grammar books always say," Do not use with after the same, use as instead". But I occasionally see the 'same...with' structure in some readings, especially on the Internet, e.g.

It is probable, therefore, that new treaties will have to be negotiated which will put the other countries on the same footing with France.

Now they're trying the same stunt with McCain. Obama's doing what every politician does. The difference is he claims that he's not the typical politician.

He was born in the same year with Dickens. Yet Dickens died in 1870, and Thackeray in 1863.

——Is that a grammatically right way to use 'the same'? If yes, what's the difference between 'as' and 'with'?

Thanks

[Skrej]

Iwanna,

Your book is partially correct. When trying to compare two things, you should use 'the same as' construction, not 'with'.

However, in the first two examples, these are not direct comparisons between two things.

[SiamS]

Very intestesting explanation! I have been also very confused with this, but now it was clear.
Thanks for a good question and answer,
Siam

[SiamS]

Very intestesting explanation! I have been also very confused with this, but now it was clear.
Thanks for a good question and answer,
Siam