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The Waste Land #1 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:20 am   The Waste Land
 

How do you interpret these words from The Waste Land by T. S. Eliot?

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Then spoke the thunder
D A
Datta:what have we given?
My friend, blood shaking my heart
The awful daring of a moment's surrender
Which an age of prudence can never retract
By this, and this only, we have existed
Which is not to be found in our obituaries
Or in memories draped by the beneficent spider
Or under seals broken by the lean solicitor
In our empty rooms
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(I arrived at this when I heard a professor saying in an interview that these are some of the most beautiful words in English language. I know that it is difficult to interpret especially to a non-native like me Smile)
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The Waste Land #2 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:13 pm   The Waste Land
 

Gray wrote:
How do you interpret these words from The Waste Land by T. S. Eliot?

************************************
Then spoke the thunder
D A
Datta:what have we given?
My friend, blood shaking my heart
The awful daring of a moment's surrender
Which an age of prudence can never retract
By this, and this only, we have existed
Which is not to be found in our obituaries
Or in memories draped by the beneficent spider
Or under seals broken by the lean solicitor
In our empty rooms
************************************

(I arrived at this when I heard a professor saying in an interview that these are some of the most beautiful words in English language. I know that it is difficult to interpret especially to a non-native like me Smile)


I used to know The Burial of the Dead by heart. This was my favorite poem.
Yes, it is really difficult to interpret. It is a stanza from The Fire Sermon in The Waste Land. You know, you need someone to explain the poem to you. Then you will really love it. It is like Shakespeare’s works. You don't understand it at all and you think it is Chinese or Japanese not English. When you know the explanation, you really love it and you may be become addicted to his works.

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The Waste Land #3 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:18 pm   The Waste Land
 

By the way, I have heard that it took him 3 years to write the poem. Rolling Eyes
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The Waste Land #4 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 17:30 pm   The Waste Land
 

Happytofita wrote:
By the way, I have heard that it took him 3 years to write the poem. Rolling Eyes


Don't know how long it would take for me to interpret it? Wink

Is anyone willing to decipher the poem? Hope, I will get a reply before 2012 Wink (kidding)
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The Waste Land #5 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 17:50 pm   The Waste Land
 

Happytofita wrote:
I used to know The Burial of the Dead by heart. This was my favorite poem.


So, why not recite that poem along with your interpretation?
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The Waste Land #6 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 23:44 pm   The Waste Land
 

The Burial of the Dead is in the Waste Land. The latter consists of five parts (if it is appropriate to call them so):
I. The Burial of the Dead
II. A Game of Chess
III. The Fire Sermon
IV. Death By Water
V. What the Thunder Said


Gray, I used to know The Burial of the Dead by heart.Very Happy
Gray, you should ask someone else for an interpretation. I am not the right person. I think one needs to read the whole poem to be able (at least) to form an idea about it. I also think that one needs to read about modernism to understand the poem.

These are my favorite verses:

Under the brown fog of a winter dawn,
A crowd flowed over London Bridge, so many,
I had not thought death had undone so many.
Sighs, short and infrequent, were exhaled,
And each man fixed his eyes before his feet.
Flowed up the hill and down King William Street,
To where Saint Mary Woolnoth kept the hours
With a dead sound on the final stroke of nine.
There I saw one I knew, and stopped him, crying: 'Stetson!
'You who were with me in the ships at Mylae!
'That corpse you planted last year in your garden,
'Has it begun to sprout? Will it bloom this year?
'Or has the sudden frost disturbed its bed?
'O keep the Dog far hence, that's friend to men,
'Or with his nails he'll dig it up again!
'You! Hypocrite lecteur! - mon semblable, - mon frère!'


In this stanza, I think people are like robots. They have lost their humanity. To have a better idea about this stanza, watch Charlie Chaplin's movie of 1936, Modern Times.Laughing




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The Waste Land #7 (permalink) Tue Jun 30, 2009 18:59 pm   The Waste Land
 

Yes, the machines have influenced us as never before and the movie or the poem would not be out-of-date in a foreseeable future, at least... not until someone interprets it the human way Wink
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