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#2 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:29 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| No difference. |
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#3 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 13:18 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| I think there is a difference, but I'd rather wait for other replies. [please don't take me for Quirk :-)] |
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#4 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 15:30 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| Iraqi wrote: |
| I think there is a difference, but I'd rather wait for other replies. [please don't take me for Quirk :-)] |
And I am waiting for yours ;) _________________ First lesson - English, not english. I, not i. ~A student of English |
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#5 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 15:32 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| I think I know the difference he perceives. |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Jun 27, 2009 15:34 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| I think I know the difference he perceives. |
Ok, Jamie, guess |
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#7 (permalink) Sun Jun 28, 2009 15:01 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| Where have you gone, Jamie? Don't you want to read my mind? (I think I have a mind- over optimistic!) |
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#8 (permalink) Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:42 am "for being" versus "to be" |
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No answer yet? In this case, I have to go for it alone.
But please don't laugh so loudly at my answer [you may suppress your laughter with your hand or a handkerchief]
1) But that should not be a reason for being unfair with it.
2) But that should not be a reason to be unfair with it.
They are correct syntactically, but semantically different.
The first suggests that someone has already been unfair with it.
The second suggests that there is an intention or probability to be unfair.
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#9 (permalink) Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:12 am "for being" versus "to be" |
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Hi,
There is a general (a very general) difference between the infinitive and the 'ing' form after some verbs which can take either. The infinitive is more specific than the 'ing' form. This same difference also translates to the question on whether it is 'reason for being' or 'reason to be'.
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#10 (permalink) Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:58 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| Iraqi, the difference you mentioned is the one I thought you saw. Theoretically there could be that difference, but in practice you can use either sentence in the same situation in which you'd use the other one. |
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#11 (permalink) Mon Jun 29, 2009 14:17 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| But, Jamie, when we speak about differences here, we have to focus on theory and not practice. For, in practice we tend sometimes to misuse certain phrases, words or other structural units (especially in AmE). Hence, I suppose, the criterion here should be the theory. |
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#12 (permalink) Mon Jun 29, 2009 14:21 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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| Iraqi wrote: |
| But, Jamie, when we speak about differences here, we have to focus on theory and not practice. For, in practice we tend sometimes to misuse certain phrases, words or other structural units (especially in AmE). Hence, I suppose, the criterion here should be the theory. |
When you say certain phrases and structural units are misused "especially in American English", you make it clear that you've never been to England and heard the English spoken there. |
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#13 (permalink) Mon Jun 29, 2009 14:55 pm "for being" versus "to be" |
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Well, as a matter of fact, I have been neither to England nor to America. Far from that, I have been to Russia, where I had to struggle to help my English survive (because Russian has many things in common with English but pronounced, written or read quite differently :-))
What I meant by "phrases and structural units are misused "especially in American English" is the written, not the spoken. AmE sometimes tend to be rebellious against the English grammar in their standard language, not the colloquial.
Anyway, thank you so much for the comments. |
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| Difference between Come here and Come over here | grammar: "rather - was/were - don't/doesn't - that" |