Democracy and justice

[Gray]

They say --

"Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary."

Do you think that democracy brings the justice or it becomes a medium for the injustice?
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[Kiprida]

I think , democracy doesn't bring to justice or injustice. Justice makes it possible, and inclination to injustice makes it necessary as mentioned.
Logically democracy should bring to justice, but unfortunately we can't say it's true for all situations.
For example:
USA wanted to bring democracy to Iraq. What happened?It caused in injustice to Iraq and USA civils. How many civil citizens died? How many orphan children left? How many cities destroyed? And where are the democratization steps now?
How many American soldiers died? Will their mothers be able to understand what their sons died for?
"Democracy" is political term. I don't like Politics!!!!!!!! I don't care for Iraq , and I don't care for USA or for the third country. I care for nations, for human beeings!!

Regards,

~Phoebe Kiprida
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[Someone]

[Prezbucky]

Democracy beats monarchy, totalitarianism, etc.

Although it has its faults, among which is that if the majority fail... they can vote for people to levy a tax that essentially steals from those with money and gives that money to those who want it. IE, if Democracy allows Socialism to take effect , well... anarchy/libertarianism is preferable.

Democracy is great if everyone believes and honors these few axioms:

1) What's mine is mine.
2) What's yours is yours.
3) I won't take what's yours and you won't take what's mine.
4) I am responsible for myself and my actions.
5) You are responsible for yourself and your actions.
6) We may differ in viewpoint, but the laws our elected leaders pass apply to all of us.

And for me it goes back to the Big Three inalienable rights:

1) Life -- the right to be defended from harm, to feel safe
2) Liberty -- freedom to do what we want to with what we have
3) Pursuit of Happiness (AKA Property) -- the right to attempt to prosper, own land, become rich, etc.... not a guarantee, but a promise to be able to try and, if you succeed, to enjoy the benefits.

That's right, America's three guiding principles are there to protect us and make sure we're free to make money and decide what to do with it. Democracy, as we're seeing now (and it may get worse given all the light-fingered policy going around...), can crush personal freedom. Hopefully enough of us will wake up and realizethat Free Enterprise, not Socialism, is the American Way.

If not, those who tear down the rich, the middle class, the entrepreneur... will reap the whirlwind of increased unemployment, shittier products, decreased investment value, etc.

Democracy is fine when the mob respects personal liberty. But when the losers force Socialism on everyone, Democracy has effectively failed.
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[Gray]

Thanks you so much Phoebe, Someone and Prezbucky !

What the so called democracy creates is an opportunity for division of society, crime, extremism, nepotism, and corruption. It is not a true democracy where common people find themselves at a mercy of a handful few.

Also, the question is not to contrast democracy with totalitarianism, it is to contemplate the ways we can make the reality conform to the definition of democracy. And there cannot be anything as fundamental as justice to bring about this sea change.
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[Yassin]

Plato in Republic talked about how to achieve ideal state through Justice but his project has never come true yet. The concept of justice is very huge. From the cradle people has been looking for justice and tryiny to achieve some levels of it. I think we should admit that mankind has arrived at some progressive levels of justice in some periods over history, moreover, he has never succeeded in reaching potential justice. Because simply life is not perfect and this world is not absolute.

At least for me, it is true injustice makes democracy necessary. this latter is just another terminology of justice. As there is progress in looking for justice , there is progress in terminology of justice. Neverthless, absolute justice is mere phantom.

[Gray]