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What is Scientology? A science about scientists? :-)
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| #4 (permalink) Wed Jul 01, 2009 17:19 pm What do you think about Scientology? |
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Hello,
I just want to know your opinions about Scientology.
Thank you in advance.
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Hello, I'm The French,
I think Scientology is like one sect, you have one boss, generally it's a man with a "charisma".
The target of this group of people is very confused, but I know one think, if you do not have money or if you are a poor guy, indeed the chief is not interested by you.
Too much groups who have one style of life, or believe in things like UFO, or something else around the religion are often what I call charlatan, because their real goal are money and just money.
But it's my mind.
Have a nice day (sorry for my mistakes, don't hesitate to correct me).
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| #5 (permalink) Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:25 pm What do you think about Scientology? |
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Interesting ideas but I don't understand why has it become a church? And besides the the study of knowledge is gnoseology.
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| #6 (permalink) Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:49 am What do you think about Scientology? |
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The Church of Scientology was started by a science fiction writer named L. Ron Hubbard who was quoted years before as saying that if someone wanted to get rich, he should start a religion, which is what he did. Most experts claim it is a brainwashing cult, and as The French said, they are not very interested in the poor, because membership requires coughing up large amounts of money at various intervals.
There is a lot of controversy surrounding their practices and alleged criminal activities. You can read all about it on Wikipedia. |
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| #7 (permalink) Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:10 am What do you think about Scientology? |
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So they're basically shallow, old-school Roman Catholics... but without Jesus.
Sign me up! ROFL
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| #8 (permalink) Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:11 am What do you think about Scientology? |
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So they're basically shallow, old-school Roman Catholics... but without Jesus.
Sign me up! ROFL
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| #9 (permalink) Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:57 am What do you think about Scientology? |
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| Prezbucky wrote: |
| So they're basically shallow, old-school Roman Catholics... but without Jesus. |
WHAT?! Where do you get that? |
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| #10 (permalink) Sat Jul 04, 2009 19:06 pm What do you think about Scientology? |
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I'm not sure whether it was scientology but one my colleague wisited something like that. He even didn't ever realise that they sucked out the money from him. They were feeding him with tales about personality growth and giving him tasks to improve his "emotional leadership". The tasks were aimed at getting more and more money from him or via him. Finally he started annoying company chiefs to make a donation for this or that purpose. The last drop was when he got to the neighbouring company office, introduced himself as an official representative of our company and asked them to make a donation.
I don't know how well he learnt the lessons but there is one thing which is quite sure: this sect has ruined his life.
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| #11 (permalink) Sat Jul 04, 2009 19:15 pm What do you think about Scientology? |
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I'm not sure whether it was scientology but one my colleague wisited something like that. He even didn't ever realise that they sucked out the money from him. They were feeding him with tales about personality growth and giving him tasks to improve his "emotional leadership". The tasks were aimed at getting more and more money from him or via him. Finally he started annoying company chiefs to make a donation for this or that purpose. The last drop was when he got to the neighbouring company office, introduced himself as an official representative of our company and asked them to make a donation.
I don't know how well he learnt the lessons but there is one thing which is quite sure: this sect has ruined his life. |
Scientology is just one of several cults that do this to people.
VOCABULARY NOTE: I know that in most European languages you use the word "sect" or "sekta" or something similar to describe groups like this, but in English these groups are called "cults", not sects. In English a sect is a perfectly innocent thing, usually some branch of an ordinary religion, such as Baptists, Presbyterians, Sikhs, etc. |
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| #12 (permalink) Sun Jul 05, 2009 17:31 pm What do you think about Scientology? |
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Thank you very much, Jamie.
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| #13 (permalink) Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:32 am What do you think about Scientology? |
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http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2010/reports/scientology_anderson/
There is an internet phenomenon which could very well be the first major
mass case of the People using the communications power of the Internet
to take on ruthless corporate power. For that is precisely what Scientology
represents, stripped of all it's pretense of religion.
It's a story which is inextricably bound up with Tom Cruise.
Cruise is effectively the #2 in Scientology, and his demise is closely
bound to the downfall of Scientology. It all started here with Cruise on
Oprah talking about love at first publicity:
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And then this Scientology 'Cruise Enthuse' hit the internet:
Following which Scientology made legal moves to suppress the video,
prompting a backlash from hackers and others who have already been
long on the trail of the pseudo-religious con that is Scientology. Under
the banner of "Project Chanology," the hackers took down Scientology
websites and longer-term activists announced a global day of protest:
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Hackers declare Scientology D-day
Leo Shanahan, February 7, 2008
New videos claiming to be from Anonymous have been posted on YouTube, naming February 10 as an international day of protest against Scientology.
Anonymous internet users who have previously crashed Church of Scientology websites have named February 10 as a worldwide day of protest in a bid to "destroy" the controversial religion.
The group - called Anonymous - which includes skilled computer hackers, has posted a message on YouTube declaring war on Scientology, accusing it of trying to censor the internet and conducting "campaigns of misinformation".
The apparent catalyst for the attack was YouTube's decision to remove a video of Hollywood star Tom Cruise - one of Scientology's most high-profile recruits - espousing the religion's virtues after the church asked that it be pulled.
"Anonymous has therefore decided that your organisation should be destroyed, for the good of your followers, for the good of mankind, and for our own enjoyment," the statement says.
"We shall proceed to expel you from the internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form," it continues.
The message, read by a computerised voice and set against a grey cityscape, finishes with the ominous statement: "We are Anonymous. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us."
Last week several major Scientology websites crashed in the United States and Britain. The FBI was asked to investigate after envelopes of white powder were sent to 19 Scientology churches in the Los Angeles area....
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/02/07/1202234012004.html |
The Anonymous group has released a number of videos which outline
their philosophy and objectives
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Message to Scientology
If this YouTube video does not display - play it at the YouTube Link.
Hello, Scientology. We are Anonymous.
Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of misinformation; suppression of dissent; your litigious nature, all of these things have caught our eye.
With the leakage of your latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation, the extent of your malign influence over those who trust you, who call you leader, has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind--for the laughs--we shall expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form. We acknowledge you as a serious opponent, and we are prepared for a long, long campaign. You will not prevail forever against the angry masses of the body politic. Your methods, hypocrisy, and the artlessness of your organization have sounded its death knell.
You cannot hide; we are everywhere.
We cannot die; we are forever. We're getting bigger every day--and solely by the force of our ideas, malicious and hostile as they often are. If you want another name for your opponent, then call us Legion, for we are many.
Yet for all that we are not as monstrous as you are; still our methods are a parallel to your own. Doubtless you will use the Anon's actions as an example of the persecution you have so long warned your followers would come; this is acceptable. In fact, it is encouraged. We are your SPs.
Gradually as we merge our pulse with that of your "Church", the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult to maintain. Believers will wake, and see that salvation has no price. They will know that the stress, the frustration that they feel is not something that may be blamed upon Anonymous. No--they will see that it stems from a source far closer to each. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of the RTC.
Knowledge is free.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
WE DO NOT FORGET.
Expect us |
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"We are the collective masses of the Internet....."
If this YouTube video does not display - play it at the YouTube Link.
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Anonymous has tried to clear up some misconceptions about it:
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It has come to the attention of Anonymous that there are a number of you out there who do not clearly understand what we are or why we have undertaken our present course of action. Contrary to the assumptions of the media, Anonymous is not "a group of super hackers".
Anonymous is a collective of individuals united by an awareness that someone must do the right thing, that someone must bring light to the darkness, that someone must open the eyes of a public that has slumbered for far too long, that someone must counter assholes with great lulz.
Among our numbers you will find individuals from all walks of life - lawyers, parents, IT professionals, members of law enforcement, college and graduate students, veterinary technicians and more. Anonymous is everyone and everywhere. We have no leaders, no single entity directing us - only the collective outrage of individuals, guiding our hand in the current efforts to bring awareness.
We want you to be aware of the very real dangers of Scientology. We want you to know about the gross human rights violations committed by this cult. We want you to know about Lisa McPhearson. We want you to know about former members of Scientology's private navy, SeaOrg, who were forced to have abortions so that they could continue in service to the church. We want you to know about Scientology's use of child labor and their gulags. We want you to know about Operation Freakout and Paulette Cooper. We want you to know about Operation Snow White and Scientology's efforts to infiltrate the government of the United States of America.
We want you to know about all of these things that have been swept under the rug for far too long. The information is out there. It is yours for the taking. Arm yourself with knowledge.
Be very wary of the 10th of February. Anonymous invites you to join us in an act of solidarity. Anonymous invites you to take up the banner of free speech, of human rights, of family and freedom. Join us in protest outside of Scientology centers world wide. We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. We will be heard. Expect us.
http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology/February_10%2C_2008 |
Mark Bunker, from http://www.xenutv.com - who has been fighting
Scientology for over 10 years has reservations:
Cruise has been a potent force in the recent spread of Scientology.
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Appearing before the International Association of Scientologists to accept its "Freedom Medal of Valor," the actor laid bare his heart. His speech, peppered with attacks on psychiatry and oaths to "church" founder L. Ron Hubbard, was delivered to a multitude of followers listening to a live global simulcast. "It's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist, and it's something that you have to earn," he told a rapt audience. "That's what drives me. I know that we have an opportunity to really help...change people's lives, and I am dedicated to that. I'm absolutely, uncompromisingly dedicated to that."
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/radar-the-passion-tom-cruise.htm |
From the get-go, Scientology had handled Cruise with diamond-studded
kid gloves. He and Miscavige had a lot of one-on-one.... A lot:
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Image from a video at a party thrown by Scientology Leader David Miscavige for his pal Tom Cruise. The image captures from the video have NOT been manipulated in any way. The source for this image claimed that Mr. Miscavige spent $300,000 for his pal's birthday party out of Scientology's deep pockets....
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/tom.htm |
Here's details of the Coup in Scientology which saw Miscavige take over:
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A major Sunday Times Magazine investigation into the activities of the cult in America and Britain has uncovered a disturbing and extraordinary story - the takeover of the organisation by a small band of youthful fanatics following the disappearance of the Church's founder and inspiration, L. Ron Hubbard. ...
..But in February, 1980, Mayo left for a two-week visit to his native New Zealand. When be returned, Hubbard had vanished....
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/england/sundaytimes-magazine-scientology.htm |
Here's Miscavige on ABC Nightline, complete with hollow smiles:
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Much, Much more on Miscavige here: http://www.lermanet.com/exit/miscavige.htm
Former scientologist Don Larson was an enforcer who speaks of
David Miscavige hammering someone into a filing cabinet in pursuit
of information:
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Don Larson in BBC Panorama (1987):
"The Road to Total Freedom" @ XenuTV
www.xenutv.com
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But a further question is: how much cover does Scientology have from
the establishment? Why is it alowed tax-emption. And is/was the CIA
involved in the Miscavige era of Scientology?
By the way, there are some interesting links between Scientology
and Charles Manson:
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[img=left]http://breakfornews.com/bfn3/i-was-crazy-manson.jpg[/img]The following is text of an actual internal memo, recovered from scientology during the 1977 raid by the the FBI of Scientology's headquarters at that time in Los Angeles
.....Raimer was auditing in prison at that time and in one 10 man cell had managed to gather a group of about 7, all in Scientology. Charles Manson entered later and studied, did TRO etc. along with his cell-mates and received approximately 150 hours of auditing from Raimer...... Rainer kept records of his auditing. Manson got super-energetic & flipped out when he'd been audited and would, for a time, talk about nothing but Scientology to the extent that people avoided his company. After a while, however, Manson was screaming to get away from his auditor (in Raul's opinion, he'd been severely over-run or something). He eventually managed to get put in solitary confi- nement to get away from his auditor. Eventually prison officials got suspicious of the groups strange activities and broke up the group....
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/more-charlesmanson.htm
"I read whatever books I could find (and understand) that dealt with mind
development. A cell partner turned me on to Scientology. With him and another guy I got pretty heavy into Dianetics and Scientology. Through this and by other studies, I came out of my state of depression. I was understanding myself better, had a positive outlook on life, and knew how
to direct my energies to each day and each task"
-- MANSON IN HIS OWN WORDS, as told to Nuel Emmons p.69
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyscandals/charlesmanson.htm |
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