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Tense question (about Present Perfect/Progressive-Continuous) #1 (permalink) Wed Jul 08, 2009 16:11 pm   Tense question (about Present Perfect/Progressive-Continuous)
 

1) After cutting the vegetables and laying them on the table, the chef's assistant then started to prepare the meat.

2) The chef's assistant, having cut the vegetables and laying them on the table, then started to prepare the meat.

I am no grammar expert but,

I would say the first is Present Progressive-Continuous.

The second is Present Perfect/Progressive-Continuous.

I would like someone better equipped than I to really explain it.

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Tense question. #2 (permalink) Wed Jul 08, 2009 20:49 pm   Tense question.
 

#1 is Simple Past - it boils down to 'The assistant started.'

Present Progressive is formed by taking the present tense of 'to be' plus the present participle of the main verb
'The assistant is starting'

#2 is again Simple Past. 'The assistant started'

Present Perfect Progressive is formed by using the present tense of 'to have' plus the past participle of 'to be' plus the present participle of the main verb.

'The assistant has been starting'
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Tense question. #3 (permalink) Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:01 pm   Tense question.
 

Hello Kitosdad,

Both of your sentences use participles, but participles are just verb forms, not tenses. Both sentences are entirely in the past.

Sentence 1 could be reworded to begin this way:

- After she cut the vegetables and laid ... (past simple tense)
OR
- After she had cut the vegetables and had laid ... (past perfect tense)

You don't actually need the past perfect in the reworded version of the sentence because the word "after" makes it clear that the meat preparation came later.

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Sentence 2 uses the perfect participle form: "having cut". For the sake of consistency, it would be better to use "laid" rather than "laying" in sentence 2:

- ..., having cut the vegetables and (having) laid them on the table, ...

Both "having cut" and "having laid" indicate that those actions were already complete before another action (i.e. before "started to prepare the meat"). Since your second sentence does not include the word "after", the use of the perfect participles takes care of that idea. Thus it is similar in meaning to the past perfect. You might reword sentence 2 this way:

- The chef's assistant, who had cut the vegetables and (had) laid them on the table, then started to prepare the meat.

You might find these links helpful:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv106.shtml
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/627/01/
http://www.ego4u.com/en/cram-up/grammar/participles

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Tense question. #4 (permalink) Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:15 am   Tense question.
 

Many thanks to you both.

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