Not Gerund? (I was met by a -welcoming- party at the airport.)

[Hanifasmm]

Hi everybody,
1. I was met by a -welcoming- party at the airport.
2. Let's go to the -meeting- room.
I consider ing-form used in the above sentences are participle only
and not gerund.
Is any one contradicting with my view?
If so please enlighten me with reason.
Thanks,
Er.S.M.M.Hanifa

[Mister Micawber]

That' right. '-Ing' verb forms used as adjectives are not gerunds because a gerund is defined as an '-ing' verb form used as a noun.
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[Kitosdad]

Could you please show a couple of examples Mr.Micawber? Thanks.
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[Alan]

Hi Bill,

What about this? Swimming is good for you (gerund)

A good place to swim is in a swimming pool (adjective)

Alan
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[Kitosdad]

Many thanks Alan.
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[Nick*]

Can I say “ the swimming guy is very good at swimming and he is swimming very fast now” ?

swimming – adjective
swimming – gerund
swimming – verb

Nick*

[Alan]

I like it!

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[MrPedantic]

[Mister Micawber]

So, it's a gerund used as an adjective? Thanks, Mr P-- I think I ended up in this muddle once before-- but I thought the consensus had emerged in the opposite direction!
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[MrPedantic]

I would say yes, MM – an adjectival noun, in effect. (Prizes for everyone.)

Thus the OED presents e.g. "eating" in "eating apple" as a substantive.

At the risk of muddying the waters still further, I would say:

1. four falling feathers

— participial adjective (the feathers are falling).

2. a case of falling sickness

— adjectival gerund (the sickness relates to falling).

Best wishes,

MrP

[Nick*]

“The meeting room is a place for meeting and the boss is meeting with some clients now. I am looking forward to meeting you there ASAP.”

meeting – ?
meeting – gerund
meeting – verb
meeting – gerund

Is the "meeting" in "The meeting room" not necessarily to be an adjective ?

Nick*

[MrPedantic]

Hello Nick,

I would call "meeting" in "meeting room" a gerund, and the form in "is meeting" a participle.

Best wishes,

MrP

[Nick*]

Hi MrP,

Thank you very much for your quick response.

However, I found that the more I know the more I am confused because it seems to be contradicted to my basic knowledge.

To my basic understanding, an adjective is used to modify a noun or noun equivalent. Sometimes a noun can act as an adjective when it is used to modify another noun especially when the two “nouns” are put together. In the phrase “a school bus”, for example, the second noun “bus” is a true noun while the word “school” preceding it acts as an adjective to modify the true noun “bus”.

In the case of “The meeting room”, to me, the noun is “room” while “meeting” is the word to modify such a noun so I consider it as an adjective.

In your opinion, you said that the word “meeting” in “meeting room” is a gerund. Since gerund is a noun therefore “meeting room” is a “noun noun” combination. Once again, the second noun “room” is a true noun and the first “noun” “meeting” preceding the true noun eventually functions as an adjective also. If it functions as an adjective, should we call/treat it as an adjective or a noun ?

Secondly, you said that the form in “is meeting” is a participle.
I am even more confused because as I know, there are three forms of "VERB + ing" :
Gerund, acts as a noun; participle, acts as an adjective and progressive verb which acts as a verb.
For a progressive verb, it is always preceded by a “verb to be” such as “ He is driving a school bus” .
For a gerund, sometimes it is preceded by a “verb to be” depending on the context such as “His job is driving a school bus”.
For an adjective, it never preceded by any “verb to be”.

So, to me :
“The boss is meeting with clients” - progressive verb - (verb form).
“The boss’ job is meeting with clients” – Gerund – (noun form).
However, I can’ think out any example of “be + verb + ing” in participle – (adjective form).

All the above are merely based on my basic understanding only.
Please correct me with detail explanation if there is anything wrong or not up to date.
Your opinion is highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Nick*

[MrPedantic]

Hello Nick,

I'm sorry to have caused confusion; but I think we are more or less in agreement.

1. meeting room

I take this as a noun-noun (gerund-noun) combination, where the gerund acts adjectivally. It is still essentially a noun, however; thus we can't (for instance) modify it with an adverb, e.g.

2. * A very meeting room / a quietly meeting room

In this case:

3. The boss is meeting with some clients

I take "meeting" as a participle, which in combination with "to be" forms the present progressive.

Best wishes,

MrP