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Kitosdad I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#3 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 17:40 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Thanks. Yeah, ETS does require the essay has to be 300 words, so I think the length is sufficient. The 1st pro I don't get it. why TES people think my details are not enough? If I provide more details than I did, then I think it will be a data! I wish 2nd and 3rd are really ok for ETS people. |
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Svbla I'm new here and I like it ;-)

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#4 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 17:48 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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| The red part is from TOEFL test, it's my test comments. ETS people think those are my big problems, so I have to fix them. That's why I need poeple to help me. |
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Svbla I'm new here and I like it ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 19:33 pm Better? I need your advises ... please |
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Who correct it? I believe that it needs to be revised.
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Essay after correction: Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues, some (other)think that the government should take more care about the environment.
a news (the news)from CNN shows that polar glacier has been melting for the last 20 years, , then these areas will disappeared from the earth mapthenwe???? will lose our homes.
For another, Like(like) humans, animals are another significant part of the environment. More and more animals are in severe danger, even facing extinction from the earth, which means we could never ever find them again if we don't stop hunting. Otherwise, only we can do is go(going) to museums to visit animals samples, not fossils. animals are leaving, fish are dying, no birds are singing in the sky, everything is damaged,(; or .) therefore, we can't protect our homeland as much as we think without the policies of government.
Secondly,(there is) no doubt that the environment is the best encyclopaedia ( encyclopedia) how could we study A(a)book without the environment? It doesn't make sense for me? what did you mean?
In conclusion, I’m totally convinced (who convince you? ) that our government should pay more attention to the environment, such as reducing the pollution and emissions from the earth, protecting the animals by making sure that they have a place to survive in, and by encouraging people to go into the natural environment to enjoy and study these most beautiful things. (it isn't related to the topic. People without homes are like birds without wings, fish without water.(OK! Is it related to the topic? I don't know whether it is related to environment or government…you have mentioned it in conclusion paragraph? )[/size]
This is the eassy(essay) after correction, I just wanna know which part that I have to improve again? Show me, please. thank(s)! |
sorry, I just make a few corrections with my limited knowledge. let me now if you have any suggestions. to be frank, I don't like this essay. _________________ The limits of my language are the limits of my universe.
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Richard I'm here quite often ;-)

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#6 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 19:36 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Svbla,
Realize that these comments are fairly generic and depend only on your final score. They are not tailored to reflect your individual strong and weak points, so I wouldn't attach too much importance to them.
Also, with all due respect for Kitosdad, I wouldn't say that the third problem is gone. Actually, not so, but far otherwise. I can elaborate, if you wish, but your errors are pretty much evident. Do pay attention to spelling and grammar. As for the structure and development, they are more or less adequate. |
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Topaze You can meet me at english-test.net
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#7 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 21:02 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Thanks a bunch Topaze I really need help, how much it's gonna cost me if you elaborate mine? are you an English teacher? If yes, be a bit more humble, if not, learn from us.
Kitosdad is an English man with over 3500 posted essay, story and poem, he is a native speaker of English, he just don't want to make someone feel disappointed. Don't forgive the sophisticated people advice. all these comments are respectable and helpful that's why we are here. you are a new member here. just take a look at your posted writing... I'd be glad to If you can help me or someone else...but you can? If yes, do it. but don't rewrite an essay..revise it...just elaborate it..you will find out how difficult it is. Make a few correction is much more difficult and time-taking that writing one. _________________ The limits of my language are the limits of my universe.
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Richard I'm here quite often ;-)

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#8 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 21:44 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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| Svbla wrote: |
| ETS does require the essay has to be 300 words, so I think the length is sufficient. |
Again hi Svbla You don't have to write certain 300 words. If you can write more, so write more. for example, Yamilet was able to write more than 500 words in 30 minutes. However, Bear in mind that writing more than 300 words mustn't make you lose your concentrate. Good luck. _________________ The limits of my language are the limits of my universe.
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Richard I'm here quite often ;-)

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#9 (permalink) Sun Oct 18, 2009 22:01 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Richard Jack.c,
I'm not sure what you imply by "how much it's gonna cost me" because I'm certainly not offering any paid services here - perish the thought.
I'm not an English teacher; however, I no longer need to prepare for the TOEFL test, since I've passed it. I also have an utmost respect for Kitosdad or, for that matter, anyone who spends much of their free time helping English language learners out of the kindness of their heart.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "forgiving sophisticated people advice" either, and although I acknowledge that their comments may very well be respectable and helpful, I fail to see any connection.
As for Svbla's essay, I didn't point to the remaining errors for the reason mentioned in my post - they're pretty much evident and can easily be detected by careful proofreading. You have already spotted some of them, by the way. Should Svbla still want me to list them, I will gladly do so.
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Wait a minute! I believe I see the problem. You probably thought that I meant the comments Kitosdad and you had made, didn't you? If that's so, it's a simple misunderstanding. I was actually referring to the generic comments provided by ETS. |
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Topaze You can meet me at english-test.net
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#10 (permalink) Mon Oct 19, 2009 0:32 am Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Hi Topaze
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I can elaborate, if you wish, but your errors are pretty much evident. |
I just Kidded. I Know because I have read all your comments and posted writing. In some cases the way you have written seems impolite to me. But a rhetorical question  of course anyone who is posting his/her essays to this FORUM want to receive some comments to improve... you are able to help others, so do it. Start from my essays.  getting a great score on tests are not important to me, I want to improve more. I believe that getting acceptable score for enrolling in a university isn't difficult..since I'm gonna go to a English-speaking country to receive a higher education, I need to improve my English more. in addition, writing is my pleasure. The other reason why I'm here, is making new foreign friends with different cultures. I have made some intimate friends here. aside from those above-mentioned, help someone, who is weaker than me, to improve seems enjoyable to me. because I use to be weak. Thank for your comments. Good luck. _________________ The limits of my language are the limits of my universe.
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Richard I'm here quite often ;-)

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#11 (permalink) Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:45 am Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Svbla,
Realize that these comments are fairly generic and depend only on your final score. They are not tailored to reflect your individual strong and weak points, so I wouldn't attach too much importance to them.
Also, with all due respect for Kitosdad, I wouldn't say that the third problem is gone. Actually, not so, but far otherwise. I can elaborate, if you wish, but your errors are pretty much evident. Do pay attention to spelling and grammar. As for the structure and development, they are more or less adequate. |
Thanks, I do need you to elaboraete. But, Kitos already helped me correct this essay, maybe some mistake is bacause I cut the essay from Word and stick here. Anyway, if you see the mistake about the 3rd problem, just show me, you didn't point to the remaining errors, but I need to know. 2: You mean structure and development are not that appropriate? How ot fix it? 3: Do you see the red part under the essay? that's TOEFL comments, I need to correct those pros. so what do you think about them? Which one is still there? which are really gone? |
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Svbla I'm new here and I like it ;-)

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 38 Location: La
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#12 (permalink) Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:52 am Better? I need your advises ... please |
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| Richard_Jack.c wrote: |
Who correct it? I believe that it needs to be revised.
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Essay after correction: Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues, some (other)think that the government should take more care about the environment.
a news (the news)from CNN shows that polar glacier has been melting for the last 20 years, , then these areas will disappeared from the earth mapthenwe???? will lose our homes.
For another, Like(like) humans, animals are another significant part of the environment. More and more animals are in severe danger, even facing extinction from the earth, which means we could never ever find them again if we don't stop hunting. Otherwise, only we can do is go(going) to museums to visit animals samples, not fossils. animals are leaving, fish are dying, no birds are singing in the sky, everything is damaged,(; or .) therefore, we can't protect our homeland as much as we think without the policies of government.
Secondly,(there is) no doubt that the environment is the best encyclopaedia ( encyclopedia) how could we study A(a)book without the environment? It doesn't make sense for me? what did you mean?
In conclusion, I’m totally convinced (who convince you? ) that our government should pay more attention to the environment, such as reducing the pollution and emissions from the earth, protecting the animals by making sure that they have a place to survive in, and by encouraging people to go into the natural environment to enjoy and study these most beautiful things. (it isn't related to the topic. People without homes are like birds without wings, fish without water.(OK! Is it related to the topic? I don't know whether it is related to environment or government…you have mentioned it in conclusion paragraph? )[/size]
This is the eassy(essay) after correction, I just wanna know which part that I have to improve again? Show me, please. thank(s)! |
sorry, I just make a few corrections with my limited knowledge. let me now if you have any suggestions. to be frank, I don't like this essay. |
Thanks, I need to explain it. 1: then these areas will disappeared from the earth map and we will lose our homes. 2:there is no doubt that the environment is the best encyclopedia. How could we study a textbook without the environment? (Is that doesn't make sense to you??) 3: "People without homes are like birds without wings, fish without water." this last sentence states that the environment is very important for us. And we can't lose it. You don't get it? |
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Svbla I'm new here and I like it ;-)

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#13 (permalink) Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:49 am Better? I need your advises ... please |
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Good morning Richard and Topaze, and of course Svbla.
Where to start?.................. Please, don't let this turn into a barbed discussion.
My position here is that of an helper. I am not a teacher and have never claimed to be.
Richard does his utmost to help, and he does. His approach to the pupil is different to mine, and far different to Topazes.
My primary intention is not to point out every single fault in the posters essay, rather to encourage and bolster their confidence in their abilities. In the past when I have criticised an essay, I've found that this has had a very detrimental effect on the writer, and it takes time to encourage them to write again.
Richard's input is remarkable for a non-native speaker, whilst in the case of Topaze, I would guess you live in an English speaking environment. Your profile suggests nothing, therefore this is only a guess.
We must never lose sight that the vast majority of the pupils come from a non-native background, and the transition to English speaking Forums must be an hurdle that most find difficult to clear.
Please try to be a little more tolerant and caring in your manner of correction. We are being helpful, not dictatorial.
I feel that Svbla came here a little late in his/her preparation for the test and is now panicking. I do realise that this test is a very important step for them and should not be viewed lightly, but unfortunately he/she found this site too late in his/her preparation.
I do wish him/her well and will continue to support wherever I can.
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Kitosdad I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#14 (permalink) Mon Oct 19, 2009 15:41 pm Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues |
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Svbla,
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Thanks, I do need you to elaboraete. But, Kitos already helped me correct this essay, maybe some mistake is bacause I cut the essay from Word and stick here. Anyway, if you see the mistake about the 3rd problem, just show me, you didn't point to the remaining errors, but I need to know. |
See below, please.
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| 2: You mean structure and development are not that appropriate? How ot fix it? |
No, actually I think they’re quite adequate. The structure is very good. It is the development of your ideas that is somewhat unclear, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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| 3: Do you see the red part under the essay? that's TOEFL comments, I need to correct those pros. so what do you think about them? Which one is still there? which are really gone? |
Yes, I do. Those are the generic comments I was referring to above.
Here's the essay. Please understand that I may have missed, incorrectly detected or even made some mistakes. If you want to be absolutely sure you may wish to consult an educated native speaker, which I'm not.
Some people think that the government should pay attention to health care issues(; )some think that the government should take more care about the environment. From my perspective, I think the government should take more care about* the environment. The following reasons support my idea: First of all, it is obvious that () environmental pollution has become the focus of society. Global warming has been warning** us to decrease the amount of emissions. For one thing, a (piece of) news from CNN shows*** that polar glacier(s) ha(ve) been melting for the last 20 years() and that the level of the sea has (risen) 3.5 () cm. The worse part is (that it continues to rise). That means there are huge areas (that) will be covered by sea****. If we do nothing to reduce the pollution of the place where we are living, then these areas will (disappear) from the earth***** and we will lose our homes. For another (thing), animals (,like humans,) are another****** significant part of the environment. More and more animals are in severe danger, even facing extinction from the earth, which means we could never ever find them again if we don't stop hunting. Otherwise, (the only thing) we (will be able to) do is (to) go to museums to visit (live) animals, not fossils.******* Here's an example from my hometown, which is developing economically. Factories take huge areas for warehousing. They cut the trees (and) turn the hills into barren wildernesses *******. The river has been polluted by these factories. As a result, animals are leaving, fish are dying, no birds are singing in the sky (and) everything is damaged(; ) therefore, we can't protect our homeland without (special government policies). ********* Secondly, there is no doubt that the environment is the best encyclopedia for us to learn much more about our earth. All of the knowledge we have, we have learned from books, but() how could we study a book (on nature?) without the environment? All kinds of experts and college students are delving into this huge (natural) textbook to study something that we still don't know. Or you could turn on TV to watch National Geographic to seek the interesting stuff********** that you prefer. A poll (conducted in a high school) shows that students prefer to venture into the environment themselves for learning. This is all because the environment is (the) best textbook for us to learn, (and) no matter what you like, you will find amazing (facts?) (in) this (book of nature/nature’s book). In conclusion, I’m totally convinced that the environment(al) issue is much more important than (the) health issue now, and (that) our government should pay more attention to the environment (and take appropriate actions) such as reducing the pollution and emissions from the earth, protecting the animals by making sure that they have a place to survive in and () encouraging people to go into the natural environment*********** to enjoy and study these most beautiful things************. People without homes are like birds without wings, fish without water.
* - you repeat the word “government” and the phrase “take more care about” twice in one paragraph. You might simply say something like “I favor the second option”. ** - is the alliteration intended here? This is not an error, of course. *** - why not just “CNN reports that”? **** - just sea. The word “level” is not necessary here. ***** - either from the earth or from the map. ****** - you used the word “another” twice in one sentence. You might want to avoid such repetitions. ******* - sorry, don’t follow. There are already places where one can find live animals, and they’re called zoological gardens. Even if some endangered species were to disappear in the wild, we would probably find them in zoos, not in museums. ******** - a hill is simply a natural elevation. It can be a part of a barren wilderness even without any environmental pollution. ********* - you wrote “as much as we think” here. What did you mean? ********** - there’s something dubious about this choice of words, although it’s just a subjective opinion. *********** going into the natural environment may be grammatically correct, but it still sounds odd to me. Why not “get out into”? ************ - what most beautiful things? |
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Topaze You can meet me at english-test.net
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#15 (permalink) Mon Oct 19, 2009 15:50 pm Better? I need your advises ... please |
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Kitosdad, thank you very much for you comment.
I completely respect your opinion. However, I believe that a person who wants to have their TOEFL essays corrected expects an objective evaluation (or at least an effort to make one), possibly supported by a complete or nearly complete list of mistakes. I think that most language errors are not particularly hard to eliminate, even within a short period of time, if learners are aware of them. Lack of awareness, on the other hand, not only prevents people from avoiding mistakes in the future, but also ingrains all unnoticed errors. I also believe that such mistakes do matter and that people who plan on taking the TOEFL test may want to keep that in mind. ETS raters may not be as finicky as their French counterparts when it comes to grammar and style, but I think that every test taker who makes numerous spelling and grammar mistakes in their essays should at least be told that this can and, in all probability, will affect their score – severely, in some cases. The rest is everyone's personal choice, of course, but I think that all test takers are entitled to that information.
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| Richard's input is remarkable for a non-native speaker, whilst in the case of Topaze, I would guess you live in an English speaking environment. Your profile suggests nothing, therefore this is only a guess. |
Not quite. As a matter of fact, I’m from Azerbaijan and have never lived in an English-speaking country, and although I do plan on continuing my studies abroad, I will not be living in an English language environment even then. |
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Topaze You can meet me at english-test.net
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