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#2 (permalink) Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:05 am setting off an "if" clause |
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No comma after 'that'. No comma between conjunction and clause unless the subclause is non-restrictive. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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Mister Micawber Language Coach
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#3 (permalink) Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:13 am setting off an "if" clause |
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I see. But some insist that the "if F is a fuzzy subset of X" in item 2 is just an intervening clause. Is that acceptable, Mister Micawber? If that is possible, what is still the best rule to be followed in this context? _________________ The more we learn, the less we seem to know. |
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Harry_Ph I'm here quite often ;-)

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#4 (permalink) Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:33 am setting off an "if" clause |
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And our subclauses here are the "if" clauses, right? _________________ The more we learn, the less we seem to know. |
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Harry_Ph I'm here quite often ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:24 am setting off an "if" clause |
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I already found the answer in the Chicago Manual of Style. Thanks for the input, Mister Micawber. _________________ The more we learn, the less we seem to know. |
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#6 (permalink) Sat Nov 21, 2009 15:33 pm setting off an "if" clause |
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Hello Harry,
What did you find in the Chicago Manual of Style?
It seems to me that using a comma after the word "that" would basically result in making the IF-clause "extra information" (i.e. non-essential) in the sentence. In other words, an additional comma would tend to make the IF-clause parenthetical.
So, my take on your question is the same as MM's. ____________________________________________ “Nature hides her secrets because of her essential loftiness, but not by means of ruse.” ~ Albert Einstein |
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#7 (permalink) Mon Nov 23, 2009 0:22 am setting off an "if" clause |
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Hi, Esl_Expert. The Chicago Manual of Style states that when two conjunctions appear next to each other, they should not be separated by a comma if there would be no pause between them if they were spoken aloud—or, in grammatical terms, if the dependent clause is restrictive in meaning. _________________ The more we learn, the less we seem to know. |
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