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#2 (permalink) Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:18 am Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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'Maia the Bee' sound fine, but 'Bunny the Rabbit' does not, because 'bunny' = 'rabbit' and also many children call rabbits 'bunny rabbits'. Choose another name for your rabbit. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:28 am Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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No, no, it was just a pun as to Bunny as a bunny. Actually, I wanted to clarify the main idea whether I should use the saying, for instance, Mister Micawber The Man/The Teacher/The Artist, you name it, (as a general definition in some cases) or it's optional. Though without an article things sound quirky, don't they? We may say Queen Elizabeth but we say Elizabeth the Queen defining that very Elizabeth, do we? The same for other examples of the kind, I may suppose. All this is not very big deal whatsoever, I just came across such a thing in a book for children translated into English and was stuck. It read something like Nicky Fox and so on, and it sounded unnatural to me, I felt by my skin there must have been the. Put me right if I'm mistaken. |
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#4 (permalink) Thu Nov 26, 2009 13:33 pm Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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'Nicky Fox' is his name. 'Nicky the Fox' is his name plus his epithet.
Both styles sound natural, and in a story it is only necessary for the writer to choose one style and be consistent for all the characters. Many stories using each style exist, I am sure. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Nov 26, 2009 18:36 pm Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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Thanks a lot. So resuming - when a proper name is followed by a descriptive word, epithet, the is necessary. Did I get the point? Sorry for being that meticulous :oops:. Sometimes I delve into every detail. |
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Abeille You can meet me at english-test.net

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#6 (permalink) Thu Nov 26, 2009 23:45 pm Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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Since they are no longer in common use, I am not sure that all epithets were preceded by the definite article, but I presume they were: Richard the Lionhearted, Felix the Cat, etc. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#7 (permalink) Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:10 am Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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| Thank you ever so much. |
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Abeille You can meet me at english-test.net

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#8 (permalink) Sun Nov 29, 2009 23:35 pm Proper name and Use of the definite article |
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| very useful |
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