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asking permission vs. making a request



 
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asking permission vs. making a request #1 (permalink) Tue Nov 24, 2009 21:26 pm   asking permission vs. making a request
 

Hello!
Could someone explain to me what the following sentence implies?
'Can I borrow your pen for a second?' (asking for permission or making a request)
By the way, would it be possible to use 'may' or 'could' or 'is it okay if' in this very sentence?
Many thanks!
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asking permission vs. making a request #2 (permalink) Tue Nov 24, 2009 21:42 pm   asking permission vs. making a request
 

Yes, you are correct.

I hope this could help...

Here is what Dictionary.com & Englishpage.com states:
"Can applies to what is possible and may to what is permissible; Can means 'able to,' May means 'permitted to'.

"Could" is used to express possibility or past ability as well as to make suggestions and requests. "Could" is also commonly used in conditional sentences as the conditional form of "Can."

"May" is most commonly used to express possibility. It can also be used to give or request permission.

'Is it okay if' will work as well, but a bit formal in my opinion.

I am hoping for a native speaker to comment. :)
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asking permission vs. making a request #3 (permalink) Tue Nov 24, 2009 22:45 pm   asking permission vs. making a request
 

Thanks for your help :) However, I still would rather someone comment upon my sentence. Is it an example of making a request or asking for permission?
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Asking permission vs. Making a request #4 (permalink) Wed Nov 25, 2009 15:31 pm   Asking permission vs. Making a request
 

Li Chyan wrote:
Hello!
Could someone explain to me what the following sentence implies?
'Can I borrow your pen for a second?' (asking for permission or making a request)
By the way, would it be possible to use 'may' or 'could' or 'is it okay if' in this very sentence?
Many thanks!


"Can applies to what is possible and may to what is permissible; Can means 'able to,'

It's clear Li. It's a straight question. Here you are sure that the other party will possibly grant you what you are looking for. Undoubtedly, A PERMISSION to borrow a pen!

Check the difference: dictionary.reference.com/browse/permission & dictionary.reference.com/browse/request
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asking permission vs. making a request #5 (permalink) Wed Nov 25, 2009 19:24 pm   asking permission vs. making a request
 

I agree with you :) I also thought it was an example of asking for permission. I was just startled because my English text book states that this question implies making a request.
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asking permission vs. making a request #6 (permalink) Wed Nov 25, 2009 21:45 pm   asking permission vs. making a request
 

Hi Li Cyan,

Quote:
Can I borrow your pen for a second?


This is a simple request where 'can' is really a conversational substitute for 'may'. In this question you are just asking if it is all right to borrow the pen.

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