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#2 (permalink) Sat Jun 26, 2004 17:12 pm Learning languages |
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In many countries English is already considered as second rather than a foreign language and yes, the vast majority of children learn English at school or in kindergarten. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that nobody will learn other languages than English or their mother tongue. Why not learn two or more 'second' languages? Learning is a life long process and language is the single most powerful tool we human being have at our disposal. The more language you know the better you will understand the world around you. Also, what about people who speak English as their mother tongue? They too will continue to learn other languages. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#3 (permalink) Sat Jun 26, 2004 17:25 pm Well... |
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Hi !
The choice of which language to learn at school/college should be based on a few factors. At least, it was so in my case. I take into account the fact that English is now the most popular language and the knowlegde of this language enables one to communicate with quite a lot of people all around the world. The second thing is that the English language has become sth of "a must" when it comes to applying for a job in my country. And if you ask why so many students choose English my answer is that it's to a great degree because of its popularity and because of popularity of english culture and so on. On the other hand, I wouldn't go for English just because everybody does so. If you don't feel like learing English, why bother ? What about learning two (or even 3) languages -it might be the solution , mightn't it?
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#5 (permalink) Sat Jun 26, 2004 17:44 pm Learning languages |
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| Torsten wrote: | In many countries English is already considered as second rather than a foreign language and yes, the vast majority of children learn English at school or in kindergarten. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that nobody will learn other languages than English or their mother tongue. Why not learn two or more 'second' languages? Learning is a life long process and language is the single most powerful tool we human being have at our disposal. The more language you know the better you will understand the world around you. Also, what about people who speak English as their mother tongue? They too will continue to learn other languages. |
I completely agree with you. I told only about people, who learn English as a second language. I heard that many englishspeakers don't want to learn even a few word of language of country where they are going to visit. They are sure that everybody must to know English. They say especially it is people from England Maybe it is properly and makes sense. |
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#6 (permalink) Mon Jun 28, 2004 14:22 pm English speakers learning a foreign language?! |
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Hi Rahel, I?ve just read your comment to Torsten about the English speakers being arrogant and expecting everybody else to learn English because they rule the world. There is a minority of English speakers who present this attitude which IS very arrogant and very immature. To think that everybody should understand them causes resentment in the victim of their rebuke and certainly won?t make any friends in the country they are visiting. This attitude is often shown by people from England directly. It started in the class system in the Victorian era and carried on through much of this century until probably the 60?s when the British Empire began to break down and many colonies became independant of British rule. The "snobs" as we call the rich were the perpetrators of this attitude because they did, literally, rule the world for a long time. The famous English Language author and historian David Crystal has written that - behind the success of a language is usually an military might. This could be true. Look at the Roman Empire and the Latin Language back then. David Crystal has written a Historical Encyclopaedia of the English Language. It?s a very worthwhile buy if you can afford it. Action-packed with information. David Crystal?s articles can also be seen in the Spotlight Magazine if you are interested further.
Thankfully there are thousands of English speakers like myself who can speak at least one or two more languages and are alternatively pleasantly complemented when someone speaks to us in our own language. You will find in Australia for instance that Japanese is the second language, or most popular second language to learn for obvious reasons - import and export business. In the USA - Spanish is the second language. In GB it is French and then German. In Canada it is also French. There are many English speakers who can speak French and German followed by Spanish or even Portuguese. Italian then becomes easier to learn after you have a French or Spanish basis. As far as arrogance and purity of language is concerned you will be surprised to know that the French are trying to erradicate ALL English words out of their vocabulary. They have even got a word for Computer. The Computer was invented and named by English speakers are as I know - please correct me if somebody knows better. The words origin is once again from the Latin. Com = with ; and Put?re = to think. I?m sure there were a few French scientists who also contributed to the developement of the computer, but isn?t that taking it a bit too far. In Germany any words which don?t belong to the usual "Duden Deutsch" are called "fremdw?rter" (foreignwords) which is also a form of puritism. I understand the reason for doing this. It is through a language that a culture and nation is recognised. It is indeed the "Soul" of the people. In Germany today they (who are responsible) have introduced an alteration to the written form of German. It called the New Duden Deutsch. It?s logic and supposed ease or simplification is not clear to see and there are many criticisms to its new form. In Scotland, we have societies and organisations which protect our Scots culture, which I think is great. I would be very upset if our culture was destroyed. I also learned French and love it, although I don?t get to speak it s? much. It?s getting rusty. So maybe I have a bit more understanding for the French and other countries who in my opinion should preserve their culture. I guess this is a large subject once again for our forth-coming Cross-Culture Forum.
To get back to the point about language protection. In the English Language you will find a rich source of words from Latin, Greek, Gaelic, Angle/Saxon/Jute - Germanic, French, D?nish, Norwegian, Spanish/Iberian/Briton and Indian-Sanskrit. You will then realise why the English speaking countries are not interested in protecting the language from foreign influences. English is about as foreign as you can get and at the same time very familiar. English as a language is a melting pot of cultures just like America is as a nation. The English Language subconsciously absorbs new words everyday from every new country which takes English as its second language. English is in continual developement and in fifty years your Grandparents will have just as much a problem understanding everyday English as it is spoken now, as it is for the average English student to understand a New York hip-hop or rap singer.
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#7 (permalink) Mon Jun 28, 2004 22:32 pm Everyone will choose English |
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| Hi Bruce, I also noticed that Spanish is very popular in USA, do think what's the reason for that? Thanks! |
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#8 (permalink) Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:11 am Spanish - 2nd Language in the USA |
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Greetings hurricane_sh,
Spanish as a second language in America has simply come about because of Mexico being the next natural (non-English speaking) neighbour to the USA. There are thousands & millions of Spanish speakers all over the US who originated from Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Cuba, Panama etc. Even today thousands of Spanish speakers from & through Mexico are endeavouring to cross the US border into California looking for a chance of a better life.
Best Wishes, Bruce. _________________ Free English Tests |
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#9 (permalink) Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:12 am Everyone will choose English |
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| Quote: | There are thousands & millions of Spanish speakers all over the US who originated from Mexico, Columbia, Peru, Cuba, Panama etc. |
Just to add to this, currently, Hispanic population(those who speak Spanish) in US has surpassed the African American population and has become the biggest minority group in US. In some selected cities, Hispanic population is the majority. |
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Ooen I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#10 (permalink) Sat Jul 17, 2004 13:26 pm English speakers learning a foreign language?! |
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| Bruce wrote: | The Computer was invented and named by English speakers are as I know - please correct me if somebody knows better. The words origin is once again from the Latin. Com = with ; and Put?re = to think. Bruce. |
dear bruce!
what a pleasure to me to see you're posting your wide and valuable thoughts. please, don't hit me for saying that I thought that sometimes you want too much.
so, for the computer thing... do you know Konrad Zuse? he was the man, a german ..., who invented the first calculating machine, named Z1 (Zuse No.1 ...), released in 1941 in Berlin, which used relais and for the first time a programme...
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#11 (permalink) Sat Jul 17, 2004 13:42 pm Everyone will choose English |
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... One of the first references to the word COMPUTER is given by Sir Thomas Brown in 1646 he spoke of : "The calendars of Compotystes".
COMPUTARE = RECHNEN (germ.)/ to calculate (en.), latin in fact! the german one-to-one-translation is "mitdenken".
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#12 (permalink) Sat Jul 17, 2004 14:00 pm Everyone will choose English |
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| Quote: | | ... what do you think about this? |
As far as the origin of the word "computer" is concerned, I think you got it. Wikipedia also suggests that the origin of the word dates back to 1646 and the word meant "person who computes" back then. This seems to be the origin of the word "computer" that we use today. |
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#13 (permalink) Sat Sep 11, 2004 23:52 pm Hi |
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| for me English is very important laguage because It is the most popular in the world and I will chose this language . also I like other languages like french and I studed french language at school before 1 year . |
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Bent_Ilq8 I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#14 (permalink) Mon Mar 06, 2006 21:49 pm Endangered languages |
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Just a few statistics to add to all your interesting views:
18-20 million people are learning German as a foreign language today.
There are more than 40 million students of Spanish around the world.
82 million people are presently learning French throughout the world.
Around one thousand million (or one billion in American English) people are learning English worldwide. A fifth of the world’s population speak it to some level. “Linguistic experts forecast that in the next 5 to 10 years there will be more than 2 Billion people learning English”. “According to the British council, as of the year 2,000 there were 750 million English as a Foreign language speakers. In addition, there were 375 million English as a Second Language speakers. The difference between the two groups amounts to English as a Foreign Language speakers using English occasionally for business or pleasure, while English as a Second Language speakers use English on a daily basis.”
While English grows and grows, half of the world’s 6.000 languages are endangered...
Now the question is, will languages have to be protected as species are? |
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#15 (permalink) Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:20 am Everyone will choose English |
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| hurricane_sh wrote: | | Hi Bruce, I also noticed that Spanish is very popular in USA, do think what's the reason for that? Thanks! |
I'm not Bruce, but I'm in the US and see the main reasons Americans have for learning Spanish. Although it does have something to do with Mexico being nearby, it's not as much as you'd think. A few decades ago, Mexico was just as near, but the most popular foreign language was French, probably because of the huge influence the French have had on Western civilization.
The need for Spanish to talk to Hispanic immigrants is not that big either, because Hispanics learn English as fast as any other immigrant group. I seldom meet a Hispanic immigrant in my area of the Midwest who can't speak English, but I run into many Arabs and others who can't. The last US census says that the Hispanic population of the country now exceeds that of African Americans, but the vast majority of these Hispanics speak English, and millions of them speak English as their only native language. The US government classifies Hispanics as a "race", not based on language. It's a bit absurd. Often Spanish-speaking blacks are classified as "black", most Spaniards are classified as "white", and most people of Latin American descent are classified as "Hispanic", even if they can't speak Spanish.
The main reason a lot of Americans learn Spanish is more selfish: Of all the European languages, Spanish has the reputation here of being the easiest. Typical Americans avoid hard subjects, so they don't want to go near German, Japanese or Russian.
Another reason is that in the 1970s and 1980s there was a lot of political activism that attempted to divide the Anglo and Hispanic populations and Balkanize the country. This activism tried to create the impression that the Spanish language was going to take over parts of the country and that Spanish speakers had to be accommodated specially by the government. The worst of this activism died when the Soviet Union fell and the communist parties in the US shriveled up. Now Hispanics are seen more clearly as people who have come here with the idea of becoming part of the society as a whole, not in order to "take back" Florida, Texas and California.
The funniest thing to me is when I see American students in my classes who intend to be teachers in our area. There are very few Hispanics here, and almost all of them can speak English. These American students bypass Arabic, Russian, Polish and the other languages offered by their universities, because they say, "Spanish is the most useful." Well, Spanish is not very useful around here, and these teachers finally find themselves in classes full of Arabs, Chaldeans, Russians, Poles and Albanians, and their Spanish doesn't help them. |
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