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 #2 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 21:49 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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That's a joke?
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| #3 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:03 am Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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Yes it is!
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| #4 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:45 am Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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I'm certainly not a fan of invironmentalists but IMO Penn & Teller are sad has beens who wouldn't still be on TV if they weren't employed by the PTB - as far as I can make out they are paid Politicians pretending to be comedians/entertainers who selectively attack various groups while selectively endorsing others/pretending their cool. I used to enjoy them 20 odd years ago but know they seem to "entertain" with material laden with political dogma
this from Wiki
"Penn Jillette has stated that those being interviewed know what show the interview is for and its purpose. One episode shows a video crew from the show going into a building to perform an interview, and Jillette points out that a member of the crew is wearing a Penn & Teller: Bullshit! baseball cap.[6] Opponents are then interviewed and they offer rebuttals to the proponents' arguments. These are usually experts, celebrities, or sometimes speakers from the Center for Inquiry, James Randi Educational Foundation, and the Cato Institute."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_%26_Teller:_Bullshit!
Cato Institute indeed? hmmmm?? if thats who their masters are it is pretty clear they have an agenda and if they are attacking a group its only because they are being paid to do so.
Just be sure you know what you're watching folks.
As far as Im concerned they are Bullshit who shouldn't be taken at face value.
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| #5 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:00 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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| Mixmixi wrote: |
| Yes it is! |
It's a trick, but it's not a joke. Many people in the US and Europe will get behind any cause they think will "save the environment" without knowing if it is true or even knowing what it is. The current collapse of the global warming movement is just the latest example of people supporting a fraud perpetrated by environmentalists.
When I was in high school, a few civics teachers put the Bill of Rights from the US Constitution into the form of a petition, sent their students out to ask people to sign it, and had the students bring back the public reaction. There were always very large numbers of people who refused to sign it, because they didn't know what it was, and many of them thought it was communist. Everybody is supposed to have studied the Bill of Rights in school when they're about 10 years old and again when they're about 14, but these people were either brain dead during those lessons or they went to bad schools that never taught it to them. |
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| #6 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:08 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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| Ambivalent.Lurker wrote: |
| I'm certainly not a fan of invironmentalists but IMO Penn & Teller are sad has beens who wouldn't still be on TV if they weren't employed by the PTB |
Okay, Jamie, I'm not the conspiracy theorist you are, so you're going to have to explain what you mean by "PTB".
| Ambivalent.Lurker wrote: |
| as far as I can make out they are paid Politicians pretending to be comedians/entertainers who selectively attack various groups while selectively endorsing others/pretending their cool. I used to enjoy them 20 odd years ago but know they seem to "entertain" with material laden with political dogma |
From what I can see, they go after various political myths, such as the notion that Wal-Mart enslaves people, phony environmentalist theories, etc. They are actually attacking and questioning dogma of others. (Note that Europeans tend to believe in and promote these fallacies decades after they've been disproven in court.)
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| Cato Institute indeed? hmmmm?? if thats who their masters are it is pretty clear they have an agenda and if they are attacking a group its only because they are being paid to do so. |
Maybe, maybe not. The Cato Institute supports political and economic theories that are more empirically based and better tested than those advocated by most European politicians and particularly by the present administration in Washington. |
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| #7 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 13:42 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Okay, Jamie, I'm not the conspiracy theorist you are, so you're going to have to explain what you mean by "PTB". |
Im not a conspiracy theorist either.- Lots of ordinary Joe's use the term "Powers that be"
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| From what I can see, they go after various political myths, such as the notion that Wal-Mart enslaves people, phony environmentalist theories, etc. They are actually attacking and questioning dogma of others. (Note that Europeans tend to believe in and promote these fallacies decades after they've been disproven in court.) |
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| Maybe, maybe not. The Cato Institute supports political and economic theories that are more empirically based and better tested than those advocated by most European politicians and particularly by the present administration in Washington. |
I actually probably agree with a lot of what they are saying but what they are talking about is irrelevant.
The point is they are paid to push political agenda's on behalf of massive organizations who pay them and guarantee their air time on TV - IMO this is the context in which they should be viewed. IMO they are Politicians masquerading as Entertainers and that to me is a deception.
Thats all I wanted to say.
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| #8 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 13:54 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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| Ambivalent.Lurker wrote: |
| Im not a conspiracy theorist either.- Lots of ordinary Joe's use the term "Powers that be" |
But only conspiracy theorists abbreviate it to "PTB".
You've left a great deal of evidence on this forum to show that you are a conspiracy theorist. If your memory is short, just peruse the forum again to find the various turds you've left.
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| From what I can see, they go after various political myths, such as the notion that Wal-Mart enslaves people, phony environmentalist theories, etc. They are actually attacking and questioning dogma of others. (Note that Europeans tend to believe in and promote these fallacies decades after they've been disproven in court.) |
| Ambivalent.Lurker wrote: |
| The point is they are paid to push political agenda's on behalf of massive organizations who pay them and guarantee their air time on TV - IMO this is the context in which they should be viewed. IMO they are Politicians masquerading as Entertainers and that to me is a deception. |
How do you know the massive organizations are always wrong?
And do you think viewers other than you are so stupid that they can't see there's politics in the program? Do you think people are saying, "Oh! There are Penn and Teller! The funny magicians!" and don't notice the politics?
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| #9 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 14:29 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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Don't take offense but the CT bit has been hammered to death on here and bores the crap out of me so Im gonna pass on that IYDM.
The point I made is Penn & Teller are not what they are appear
what they are saying is irrelevant to my point
as is wether or not massive organizations are right are wrong.
they are not what they are appear ... that was my point. nothing else
You really must have an inflated estimation of your own intelligence compared to that of others if you can tell me I must have an inflated estimation of my own intelligence compared to others
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| #10 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 14:39 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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I don't think that the line "Stupid environmentalists will sign anything" or this movie clip are worth the trouble. Stick a mike in the face of Joe Sixpack or Eve Everyman and use some high-strung words or wording and you're bound to get whatever you want. Taking the piss out of ordinary people is not exactly edifying or funny, whether it's at the expense of environmentalists or American Republicans.
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| #11 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 14:42 pm Stupid environmentalists will sign anything |
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| Ralf wrote: |
| I don't think that the line "Stupid environmentalists will sign anything" or this movie clip are worth the trouble. Stick a mike in the face of Joe Sixpack or Eve Everyman and use some high-strung words or wording and you're bound to get whatever you want. Taking the piss out of ordinary people is not exactly edifying or funny, whether it's at the expense of environmentalists or American Republicans. |
ditto :-)
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