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#2 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:20 am "I don't know nothing"? |
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hi, i am Sharvari from India I think "i dont know anything" is proper that "i dont know nothing " "I Have no idea" is commonly used sentence. |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:59 am "I don't know nothing"? |
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I don't know nothing is an old, dated english sentence as it contains a double negative structure. And it mean I know everything. I have no idea or I don't know anything about it are antonymous sentences for it. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#4 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:09 am I do'nt know nothing |
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Instead of telling I do'nt know nothing You can say I know nothing I think this will be o.k. I feel. |
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Shanthisethuraman I'm here quite often ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:13 am I do'nt know nothing |
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| Shanthisethuraman wrote: |
Instead of telling I do'nt know nothing You can say I know nothing I think this will be o.k. I feel. |
Yes, the problem is that how we are going to "interpret" the sentence, it's not about "telling" or "saying". If English is our 2nd language, we might have problem when "hearing" some unusual idioms, like this one... _________________ Thank you very much,
Hieu Phan.
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#6 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:43 am I do'nt know nothing |
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Dear Phan Thank you for your reply reagarding the above, I agree with you that English is IInd language for me and I am also out of touch with this syllabus I want to know morething from you like this,please excuse me what I wrote. More you can help me and more I can improve my level best.
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#7 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:47 am I do'nt know nothing |
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| Shanthisethuraman wrote: |
Dear Phan Thank you for your reply reagarding the above, I agree with you that English is IInd language for me and I am also out of touch with this syllabus I want to know morething from you like this,please excuse me what I wrote. More you can help me and more I can improve my level best.
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Hi Shanthi,
Not at all! I think I made a mistake in my previous post that I should have said "If English is our 2nd language, we might have problem when "hearing" some unusual idioms, like this one..." since I'm facing this problem sometimes. Sorry for this!
It's nice to meet you around this forum and keep posting your ideas here... We can learn from each others and share our understanding of English. _________________ Thank you very much,
Hieu Phan.
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#8 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:58 am "I don't know nothing"? |
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| "I don't know nothing" -This kind of double or multiple negation is quite common in African American (Vernacular) English. |
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#10 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:13 pm "I don't know nothing"? |
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But the intended meaning of people who say I don't know nothing is I know nothing or I don't know anything. Hence, it is really not a double negation. |
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#11 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 13:44 pm "I don't know nothing"? |
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Why? I don't know nothing is absolutely double negative. I know nothing means I don't know anything so if we add the word NOT the sentence then must have the reversed meaning which is I know everything. Compare I want nobody but you and I don't want nobody but you. Of course they have different meanings. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#12 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 14:07 pm "I don't know nothing"? |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
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Hi, it is something so-called "idiom"... As my own experience speaking with some native speakers, i guessed its mean is "I don't know anything" based on the context. The reason I initiated this thread to double check... _________________ Thank you very much,
Hieu Phan.
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#13 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 14:28 pm "I don't know nothing"? |
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It's so ridiculous. I can't expect that there is such IDIOM. Native speakers aren't always right. Some MAs here in Vietnam have many different opinions from native speakers' opinions. In in case, who should I believe in? Sometimes, I don't believe in both. But about this structure, I see many grammar books say that it's double negative and have explanations as I've said. In theory, we must use anyone in a negative clause but when we use double negative which means the sentence become an affirmative one, then of course we can use someone or nobody. For example, I don't know anything about it is relevant to I know nothing about it, which mean I've never heard about it. But I don't know nothing about it? If it means what you've said, then it's grammatically wrong and just can be used in lyrics. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#14 (permalink) Thu Mar 11, 2010 18:03 pm "I don't know nothing"? |
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You still had one more mistake. If English WERE my second language... Because in fact, ENGLISH isn't our second language, just foreign language. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#15 (permalink) Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:22 am "I don't know nothing"? |
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| It is a double negative that people sometimes use to mean "I don't know anything" or "I know nothing," although it is grammatically incorrect. It is not an idiom, just a common misuse in some vernaculars. if taken literally it would most closely mean "I know something," but have never heard it used or understood that way. |
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