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"Last" is not an adverbial here. It's an adjective describing "time". The subject of the main clause is "the last time".
[The last time] [was] when?
When [was] [the last time]?
From there you can add the embedded clause "you ate out".
[The last time [you ate out]] [was] when?
When [was] [the last time [you ate out]]? |
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| #3 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:25 am Question word order and adverbials |
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However we usually use when was the last time you ate out rather than the last time you ate out was when. And I wonder why we don't use present perfect but past perfect in YOU ATE OUT as we usually use it after THE FIRST, THE LAST structures. For example, this is the first/last time I've visited him.
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| #4 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:24 am Question word order and adverbials |
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Thank you, I see my mistake!
The reason it's in Past Simple is that the class hasn't yet learned the Perfect forms...
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| #5 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:47 am Question word order and adverbials |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
| However we usually use when was the last time you ate out rather than the last time you ate out was when. And I wonder why we don't use present perfect but past perfect in YOU ATE OUT as we usually use it after THE FIRST, THE LAST structures. For example, this is the first/last time I've visited him. |
If you study English to a theoretical level, you will learn that ordinary questions are formed from so-called "echo" questions. Therefore the use of "The last time you ate out was when?" is a valid way of explaining the syntax of the normal question. |
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| #6 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:49 am Question word order and adverbials |
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| Datula33 wrote: |
Thank you, I see my mistake!
The reason it's in Past Simple is that the class hasn't yet learned the Perfect forms... |
Tamara, you didn't make a mistake. Vietanhpham is a Vietnamese speaker of English, and he very often dispenses bad advice, so be careful when he offers it.
The past simple can be used in those sentences, depending on the context. It's not wrong. |
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| #7 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:43 pm Question word order and adverbials |
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To Jamie: I meant the mistake about last being an adverbial.
And thanks for the advice ;-) |
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| #8 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:58 pm Question word order and adverbials |
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I just wondered, not advised or recommended. But do you agree that This is the first time I have visited you is a correct sentence?
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| #9 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 13:00 pm Question word order and adverbials |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
| I just wondered, not advised or recommended. But do you agree that This is the first time I have visited you is a correct sentence? |
I can't understand your question. Please punctuate it properly and try again. |
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| #10 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 13:24 pm Question word order and adverbials |
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This is the first time I've tried spring rolls= I've never tried spring rolls before. The last time I have visited you is 3 months ago= I haven't visited you for 3 months?
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| #11 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 18:54 pm Question word order and adverbials |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
| This is the first time I've tried spring rolls= I've never tried spring rolls before. The last time I have visited you is 3 months ago= I haven't visited you for 3 months? |
HI,
Yes now you explained it correctly.Therefore, your sentence is correct.
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| #12 (permalink) Wed Mar 17, 2010 19:16 pm Question word order and adverbials |
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Yes we may be all right but let's wait for Mr. Jamie's reply. He's really a strict and serious helper.
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