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#2 (permalink) Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:19 am will/would/can/could in question |
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Do you know why could, would are used to make polite requests? It's because they have subjunctive mood. You use subjunctive mood in this structure to imply that you don't really know whether the listener accept your request or not. Would you give me your pen implies that I really need your pen but accepting my request depends on you and you may also not lend me your pen. Whereas will you give me your pen implies that you order the listener to give you the pen and he has no other choice but to accept your request. That's also why people use subjunctive mood for making wishes, conditional sentences, assumptions and deductions..etc. These kinds of sentences do have some pieces of unreal actions. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#3 (permalink) Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:22 am will/would/can/could in question |
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#4 (permalink) Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:31 am will/would/can/could in question |
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How? Just see the other and do as they do. Welcome to this forum. Hope you enjoy it. P/S ask whatever you wonder by clicking New Topic and answer whatever you know about some topic by clicking Post Reply. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#5 (permalink) Fri Mar 19, 2010 19:49 pm will/would/can/could in question |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
| Do you know why could, would are used to make polite requests? It's because they have subjunctive mood. You use subjunctive mood in this structure to imply that you don't really know whether the listener accept your request or not. Would you give me your pen implies that I really need your pen but accepting my request depends on you and you may also not lend me your pen. Whereas will you give me your pen implies that you order the listener to give you the pen and he has no other choice but to accept your request. That's also why people use subjunctive mood for making wishes, conditional sentences, assumptions and deductions..etc. These kinds of sentences do have some pieces of unreal actions. |
So that means "will" has same implication as of "can" then. Because my understanding of "can" is the person being requested doesn't have room to refuse he has to give what is being asked. Whereas "could" gives that person an option to refuse. So, all in all, does it mean that I can use "will" and "can" interchangeably and by the same token it also applies to "could" and "would" as well?
On second thought, I have a feeling that "will" is more forceful and impolite than "Can". No, I have no logical reason for this. Just my gut feeling. :p |
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#6 (permalink) Fri Mar 19, 2010 20:05 pm will/would/can/could in question |
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| vw wrote: |
| Do you know why could, would are used to make polite requests? It's because they have subjunctive mood. You use subjunctive mood in this structure to imply that you don't really know whether the listener accept your request or not. Would you give me your pen implies that I really need your pen but accepting my request depends on you and you may also not lend me your pen. Whereas will you give me your pen implies that you order the listener to give you the pen and he has no other choice but to accept your request. That's also why people use subjunctive mood for making wishes, conditional sentences, assumptions and deductions..etc. These kinds of sentences do have some pieces of unreal actions. |
That's a nice information. Thanks VW. |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Mar 20, 2010 0:55 am will/would/can/could in question |
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Can and Will are different from each other. Can is used for a possibility while Will is used for a future action. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#8 (permalink) Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:28 am will/would/can/could in question |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
| Can and Will are different from each other. Can is used for a possibility while Will is used for a future action. |
No I mean in question context.
Like - will you give me your pen (or) give me a pen, will you. |
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#9 (permalink) Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:13 am will/would/can/could in question |
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Oh yeah. Can is more polite than Will. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#10 (permalink) Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:02 am will/would/can/could in question |
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The above are known as: Modal Verbs. Here is a list of the most commonly used ones.
Could. Would. Should. Will. Might. May. Must. Can. Shall. Ought (to)
What are Modal Verbs?
Modal verbs are special verbs which behave very differently from normal verbs. Here are some important differences:
1. Modal verbs do not take "-s" in the third person.
Examples: * He can speak Chinese. * She should be here by 9:00.
2. You use "not" to make modal verbs negative, even in Simple Present and Simple Past.
Examples: * He should not be late. * They might not come to the party. _________________ Keep it simple ... Keep it interesting. |
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#11 (permalink) Sat Mar 20, 2010 17:11 pm will/would/can/could in question |
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| Vietanhpham_Winter wrote: |
| Oh yeah. Can is more polite than Will. |
Thanks but allow me to reiterate my question so that I have solid understanding. Do the following sentences have same implication? or one is more polite than the other?
Would you give me your pen? Could you give me your pen? Will you give me your pen?
| Kitosdad wrote: |
The above are known as: Modal Verbs. Here is a list of the most commonly used ones.
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Hi Kitosdad, I wanted to know the difference of the modal verbs that I've listed in question context. Because I still yet to grasp the idea of when to use which one apart from can/could pair. |
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#12 (permalink) Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:10 am will/would/can/could in question |
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Of course could is the most polite one. As mr. Kitosdad said, they all are modal verbs which require a motion verb after. _________________ Nothing's impossible! Never say never! They're what I've been following. Hope you to follow them too! |
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#13 (permalink) Mon Mar 22, 2010 0:52 am will/would/can/could in question |
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I have always had problems in trying to identify modality. I would like to ask a question about the use of "would" in this context: "Because of their pride in their cuisine, some French people are concerned that U.S. restaurant chains crowd out their own products with fast food. Some French people would argue that fast food does not belong in French society and is of lower quality than their own." (Taken from Globalization101.org) Do you think it only implies hypothetical situation / conditional? Or native speakers mean something different when using it in a situation like this one? It is a bit difficult to identify a speaker's intention when you are not native. Thank you very much. |
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