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Are these noun phrases too difficult to explain? | Modifier "Any"

Is this good English: 'I don't have no car.'
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Dialogue Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:49 am  Dialogue
 

Hi Quoc,

How is it possible to, as you naively ask, to fix the mistakes when what you have written makes no sense, has no logic and is as I have said gibberish?

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Is this good English? Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:26 am  Is this good English?
 

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Well, I think I understand what Quoc is getting at...
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Quoc, in your example it would be MUCH better and MUCH more understandable to say something like this:

It isn't exactly true that I have "no car" at all. I do own a car. It just isn't working at the moment. So, what I mean is that I have no access to a car that runs.

Trying to use "I don't have no car" to mean "I have a car." is a bad idea because the double negative in this short little sentence would typically NOT be understood as a way to create a positive idea. Confused
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No car Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:49 am  No car
 

Hi,

Sure. A complete rewrite, yes but then not to forget that a certain articulate comment about double negatives by our same correspondent has mysteriously been deleted!

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Is this good English? Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:58 am  Is this good English?
 

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Hmmm.... I guess I must have missed that. Confused
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Mysterious post Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:02 am  Mysterious post
 

Yankee wrote:
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Hmmm.... I guess I must have missed that. Confused

Yes, so have I. And now we'll never know what it said. It's not fair (pouting)!
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Is this good English? Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:25 am  Is this good English?
 

Hi,
I guess, this could be an example how the literature ,or the poetry are able to mix up words and phrases and confuse us poor "no natives".
( most probably not only "no natives" Laughing )


I don't have "no car"

just don't have a working car, but it'll be repaired by next week...

In dialogues,
it does happen quite often , doesn't it ?

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Is this good English? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:26 pm  Is this good English?
 

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Is this good English? Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:52 pm  Is this good English?
 

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And this is one of my favorite comedy routines. I never get tired of it: Laughing

The audio:
http://www.nocryinginbaseball.com/WhosOnFirstAudio.mp3

The tapescript:
http://baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml

The English is hilarious --- but it may help to know a couple of the basic rules of baseball before you listen. Wink Laughing
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Is this good English? Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:22 am  Is this good English?
 

"You're no good for me, I don't need nobody" (c)
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Meaning Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:38 am  Meaning
 

Hi Tamara,

Do you mean you want to know what it means?

Quote:
You're no good for me, I don't need nobody


I would say: you are no use to me because I really don't need anybody.

The double negative has reared its head again! It's acceptable in colloquial use for emphasis.

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Collocations Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:50 am  Collocations
 

No use/no good

With some (usually uncountable) nouns, 'no' is used instead of 'not a/any':


    no time
    no doubt
    no point
    no problem
    no idea
    no way


There are probably quite a few more.
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Is this good English? Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:17 am  Is this good English?
 

Hi Conchita!

Now? my confusion is pretty perfect! Confused

If a noun is uncountable how may I use a definite or undefinite article? no = not a/ not any Or is there any exception from the rule about uncountable nouns?

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Meaning Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:27 am  Meaning
 

Yes, Alan, - sorry I didn’t ask properly Embarassed – and thanks a lot for your explanation.

By the way, I’ve found the phrase in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Good_(Start_the_Dance)

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The original sample "You're no good for me, I don't need nobody" is by Kelly Charles and comes from the single "You're No Good For Me" (1987, London Records LONX153). Liam Howlett had doubts whether to use the sample because he thought it is too pop.

...Yes, the colloquial speech is more expressive...
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Is this good English? Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:41 am  Is this good English?
 

Fan of Arabian horses wrote:
Hi Conchita!

Now? my confusion is pretty perfect! Confused

If a noun is uncountable how may I use a definite or undefinite article? no = not a/ not any Or is there any exception from the rule about uncountable nouns?

Michael

Sorry, Michael!

It's not really an exception -- as you said, no = not a/not any. 'No' is often more emphatic, though. What I was trying to point out is that there are a number of nouns that usually combine with 'no'. E.g. 'I haven't got an idea' is far less frequent than 'I have no idea'. Or: 'There's not any doubt about it' vs. 'There's no doubt about it'.
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Is this good English? Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:38 am  Is this good English?
 

Hi,
My modest proposal would be to start a new thread or to tread on some old thread,where everybody could add for example just uncountable nouns in English.
I was sometimes looking for information but nothing
have been found by Sailor Jan.
It may be powerful treading on the thread with hundreds of words within it.
And later Gentlman Torsten would be enlighted that it is just what he alawys wanted to have had right next to Esl lessons and before Esl articles. Laughing on first page.
It would cause million of new clicks on mouses wordwide.
And everybody would have new Mercedes,and Sir Alan would cruise wordwide next time not just along Baltic.
This would create the unforgotten opportunity to meet QQ
in person somewhere in Vietnam.
And they would be best friends Laughing

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