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Questions on Ordinals #1 (permalink) Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:11 am   Questions on Ordinals
 

Hello everybody! I’m a newbie here.

Somewhere in this Forum I stumbled on the discussion on asking questions that get ordinal answers. When I visited one or two other language forums, I found similar discussions. I read something like “What number president is he?” which accordingly is about the most natural way of asking the question to get the answer “He is the (first, second, 100th) president.” I wish to confirm if this indeed is one of the natural ways native speakers make questions on ordinals (you see, I’m a Filipino and my mother tongue is Tagalog). In addition, what if the position is not as known to both speakers as a president and if the situation is more specific or complicated? How do we ask the question, for example, to get the following answers? 1. He is the 6th chairman of the board; 2. He is 9th placer in the first Philippine bar exams; 3. This is the hundredth time this question was asked; 4: This is the 50th among 100 questions posted so far; 5. He is the 2nd born in the family.

Arguments: 1. Suggesting an ordinal in the question such as “Is he the sixth chairman of the board?” or “Is he 9th placer…?” or “Is this 50th among 100 questions…? etc., seems unnatural unless the context requires that the ordinal(s) be included. 2. Questions that elicit cardinals for answers seem unnatural because the questions expect an ordinal (I don’t know, I’m not an English native speaker).

Can anyone help me please with the above question problems, if possible in dialog fashions understandable to EFL learners?

Thanks in advance.

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Questions on Ordinals #2 (permalink) Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:04 am   Questions on Ordinals
 

Prax Cortez wrote:
I read something like “What number president is he?” which accordingly is about the most natural way of asking the question to get the answer “He is the (first, second, 100th) president.” I wish to confirm if this indeed is one of the natural ways native speakers make questions on ordinals.


I can't think of a better way of asking a question to get that answer, though it feels a little unnatural. Personally, I would probably ask "How many presidents were there before him?" and add one.

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and if the situation is more specific or complicated? How do we ask the question, for example, to get the following answers?

1. He is the 6th chairman of the board;

"What number chairman is he?" (or, as above, "How many chairmen were there before him?)
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2. He is 9th placed in the first Philippine bar exams;

"Where (that is, 'what position') did he come in the group who took the Philippine bar exams?"
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3. This is the hundredth time this question was asked;

How many times has this question been asked? (and the answer should be "This is the hundredth time this question has been asked.")
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4: This is the 50th among 100 questions posted so far;

This really needs two separate parts to get the complete answer - "which question is this?" and "how many questions have been posted?"...
"What number question is this out of how many?" would get the answer, but again this feels like an unnatural way of asking.
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5. He is the 2nd born in the family.

"What number (child) is he in the family?"

I think the real problem with the unnatural feel of some of these questions is that you would not usually ask questions to deliberately try to get an ordinal number in the response.
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Questions on Ordinals #3 (permalink) Sun Apr 11, 2010 19:28 pm   Questions on Ordinals
 

Thanks,

this is very interesting topic, thank you for explanation!
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Questions on Ordinals #4 (permalink) Mon Apr 12, 2010 17:38 pm   Questions on Ordinals
 

Thanks a lot for the explanation. Now I'm enlightened.
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Questions on Ordinals #5 (permalink) Mon Apr 12, 2010 17:41 pm   Questions on Ordinals
 

Hi, Permalink,

Thanks a lot for your kind explanation.

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