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'says' and 'said' are two different words - they are different tenses of the same verb.Although their initial phoneme sounds the same (seh-) the second phoneme is different (z or d).
'saids' is not a word at all. I suspect you are hearing the word 'says' incorrectly, possibly because the accent of whoever says it is not very clear.
"She said (seh-d) she is finished." (In the past she indicated that she has finished.)
"She says (seh-z) she has finished." (Currently she is indicating that she has finished.)
'Give'em' is not a word, but is a colloquial abbreviation of the words 'give them'. It is informal and should be avoided in formal situations.
You are correct about the pronounciation as far as I can see. You simply leave the 'th' out of the words, "give them"
"Please give them to me."
"He snarled, "Give'em to me!"
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| #3 (permalink) Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:43 am am i hearing right? |
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Hi Bulone,
Where do you hear these expressions? Possibly 'saids' is what you hear when someone says: I said so. But you can hear, I hope the difference between: She says so and They said so.
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| #4 (permalink) Tue Apr 20, 2010 15:30 pm am i hearing right? |
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| Beeesneees wrote: |
'says' and 'said' are two different words - they are different tenses of the same verb.Although their initial phoneme sounds the same (seh-) the second phoneme is different (z or d).
'saids' is not a word at all. I suspect you are hearing the word 'says' incorrectly, possibly because the accent of whoever says it is not very clear.
"She said (seh-d) she is finished." (In the past she indicated that she has finished.)
"She says (seh-z) she has finished." (Currently she is indicating that she has finished.)
'Give'em' is not a word, but is a colloquial abbreviation of the words 'give them'. It is informal and should be avoided in formal situations.
You are correct about the pronounciation as far as I can see. You simply leave the 'th' out of the words, "give them"
"Please give them to me."
"He snarled, "Give'em to me!" |
Hi all,
Maybe Alan told us what Bulone heard about says and said.
For the phrase "give them", in my opinion, obviously it is not a word but 2 words. And "Give'em" is not a word, either. What Beeesneees said is just what I've known. I have not seen it in a formal context but it may appear in poetic language and songs.
One more thing I'd just like to add is that you may also hear "give'im" in "give him". So, in many contexts, "give them" is pronounced as "give him", give'm. "Just give'm the last coins I saved", for example. "m" can be only my boy or both my boy and my daughter. Maybe there is still a difference that I have not recognized at my level. I look forward to receiving advice from all of you.
Thank you very much.
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| #5 (permalink) Tue Apr 20, 2010 17:26 pm am i hearing right? |
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| Beeesneees wrote: |
'says' and 'said' are two different words - they are different tenses of the same verb.Although their initial phoneme sounds the same (seh-) the second phoneme is different (z or d).
'saids' is not a word at all. I suspect you are hearing the word 'says' incorrectly, possibly because the accent of whoever says it is not very clear.
"She said (seh-d) she is finished." (In the past she indicated that she has finished.)
"She says (seh-z) she has finished." (Currently she is indicating that she has finished.)
'Give'em' is not a word, but is a colloquial abbreviation of the words 'give them'. It is informal and should be avoided in formal situations.
You are correct about the pronounciation as far as I can see. You simply leave the 'th' out of the words, "give them"
"Please give them to me."
"He snarled, "Give'em to me!" |
Hi Beesnees,
I didn't mean "saids" as a meaningful word. It is mere representation of a sound what I hear because I have no knowledge of phonetic symbol to do proper description of sound. But I think you may be right. It might be accent thing. Thanks for your input. |
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| #6 (permalink) Tue Apr 20, 2010 17:32 pm am i hearing right? |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi Bulone,
Where do you hear these expressions? Possibly 'saids' is what you hear when someone says: I said so. But you can hear, I hope the difference between: She says so and They said so.
Alan |
Hi Alan,
You nailed it. :) That's what I've been hearing. So, correct me if I'm wrong, is the trailing 's' of 'say' that makes it sound more similar to 'said' with the only difference being with 's' sound in the place of 'd'? Thanks a bunch.
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| #7 (permalink) Tue Apr 20, 2010 19:29 pm am i hearing right? |
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Hi,
That's the case.
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| #8 (permalink) Wed Apr 21, 2010 0:41 am am i hearing right? |
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| ^^Thanks very much. |
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