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#2 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 19:52 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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It isn't. There is an error there. _________________ Keep it simple ... Keep it interesting. |
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Kitosdad Language Coach

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#3 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 19:58 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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I found these sentences in which also there is inversion after nor. Are they correct or ?
No one has volunteered for the job, nor do we expect anyone to volunteer in the future.
Hok-ming cannot speak Portuguese, nor can José speak Cantonese.
The zoo regulations will not permit you to touch the animals, nor would most people advise you to do so.
(source: http://www.testmagic.com/grammar/explanations/inversion.htm ) |
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Vod0o New Member
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#4 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 20:22 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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They are correct Vod0o. They have the same meaning as: No one has volunteered for the job and we don't expect anyone will. Hok-ming cannot speak Portuguese whilst Jose cannot speak Cantonese. Zoo regukations will not permit you to touch the animals and most people wouldn't advise you to touch them anyway! _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#5 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 20:33 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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So after nor we have to use inversion ? Then why in these sentences there is no inversion:
Neither Chris nor Pat came to the party. Tom said he would contact me, but neither wrote nor phoned. (source: English Grammar in Use - Raymond Murphy)
I'm sorry if my questions are stupid, but I really can't get the difference... |
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Vod0o New Member
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#6 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 20:54 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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There is no single hard and fast rule about what follows use of 'nor' in the way that your are seeking it. Both sets of examples that you have given are correct. In your second set of examples without the inversion, you have used the term 'neither....' and this is always matched with 'nor...' In your first set of examples, the 'nor' sort of replaces the 'neither'.
Your questions are neither stupid nor pointless! Your questions are not stupid, nor are they pointless! _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#7 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 21:28 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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Thank you for your explanation. So to sum up it appears that when nor is used without neither, after nor there is inversion :? And about my first post... Is there a right answer to this question or there is an error in the exercise? |
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Vod0o New Member
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#8 (permalink) Sat Apr 24, 2010 23:57 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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Kitosdad answered your first post further up the thread. there's a typo in the exercise, so none of the provided answers are correct. The correct answer would be 'did she send'. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#9 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:22 am neither/nor + inversion? |
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| So, the right answer do has inversion, the reason it's incorrect it is just usage of incorrent form of verb (sent instead of send). |
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Mkostya I'm here quite often ;-)

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#10 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:39 am neither/nor + inversion? |
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Yes, the correct answer when the typo is corrected is: B) I am disappointed with Alex as she neither phoned me, nor did she send (typo reads sent) me a text message.
Has anyone looked to see if the typo has been corrected? _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#11 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:49 am neither/nor + inversion? |
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It's quite confusing... Will it be wrong if I say: I am disappointed with Alex as she neither phoned me nor sent me a text message?
Or the inversion is required when there is a subject:
I am disappointed with Alex as she neither phoned me nor did SHE send me a text message.
but here comes another example:
Neither Chris nor Pat came to the party. <- there is no inversion here:? Is it because the subject after neither is not the same after nor ? |
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Vod0o New Member
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#12 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 13:34 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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"I am disappointed with Alex as she neither phoned me nor sent me a text message." is absolutely fine. The 'did she' between the 'nor' and the 'sent is assumed.
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| Neither Chris nor Pat came to the party. <- there is no inversion here:? Is it because the subject after neither is not the same after nor ? |
This might help clarify things: http://is.gd/bHcGm _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#13 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 16:21 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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Thanks for your help! Things are more clear now.
One more question:
He neither phoned me, nor wrote to me. He neither phoned me, nor did he write to me.
are they both correct? |
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Vod0o New Member
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#14 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 16:35 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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I'm glad the linguistic mist is lifting!
Yes, both of your last example are correct, and interchangeable. (The second example simply adds slightly more emphasis to the second phrase in the sentence.) _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#15 (permalink) Sun Apr 25, 2010 17:30 pm neither/nor + inversion? |
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| OK. Thanks again! |
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