The mountain rises above the clouds.

[Haihao]

Hi,

I am really curious about rise:

1. Eric rose from the chair. -> body movement.
2. The sun rises in the east. -> entity movement. but,
3. The mountain rises above the clouds. -> ? movement?

Certainly the movement, if any, is imaginative; but what could it be?

Thank you!

Haihao

[Morteza]

Hi Haihao,
Rise=Become higher(be very tall):
You can see the Alps above the clouds in the distance.
The cliffs rose above us.
Hope this helps,
Morteza

[Haihao]

Hi Morteza, thank your for your comment and it does help. But that's what I am curious about: Rise = Become higher, but the mountain cannot become higher. It should stand (high) but not rise. I know this is very pedantic, though. :-)

I know it means: the mountain stands on the ground and the upper part of it is through the clounds and thus above them.

I am curious about the usage of rise, which is what I like and like to know about its "mechanism".

[Beeesneees]

"rise" can indicate an increase in value or can be an indication of a higher point.

A mountain rising above the clouds is a mountain which reaches to a higher point that the clouds.

It can also mean to become more extreme:
The tension rose as the soccer player got ready to take the penalty."
or to come into existence:
"A friendship (a)rose between the two countries."
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[Haihao]

Thank you, BN. Just for discussion, my problem is your examples still contain the sense of increase or movement, but the metaphorical use of rise for the mountain cannot. Cf.,

1. The tension rose: tension went up.
2. A friendship (a)rose: friendship grew in degree.
3. A mountain which reaches to a higher point: the subject does not change a little, and always is that high: it does not grow to reach to that higher point (than the clouds).

[Beeesneees]

The examples were to provide other ways in which 'rise' is used. I'm sorry if they 'muddied the waters' slightly.

My answer to your question about 'rise' not meaning to ascend was in this line:
"rise" can indicate an increase in value or can be an indication of a higher point.
In the case of the mountain it is the latter of these two options. It is an indication of a higher point (the mountain peak).

"The tower rose high over the castle walls" - The tower is an indication of a higher point than the walls.
"Behind the lake, fir trees rose in salute." The trees are an indication of a higher point than the lake.
"The hills rose around the edges of the moor." The hills are an indication of a higher point than the moor.
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[Haihao]

Thank you very much for your patient explanations, as always, and really nice examples!

From the examples, it seems to me that 'rise' can "take" a personalized subject, especially in "Behind the lake, fir trees rose in salute.", as if the trees stood up to salute. That solved my problem: the mountain "goes" up to a higher point until "reaches" its peak above the clounds, in our human eyes! Oh this is great! Thanks again, BN!

Best regards,

Haihao