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You know, I'm a native speaker, and have used all of those expressions before, but I honestly didn't know the latin derivations for all of them. Very helpful, and interesting, too!
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| #3 (permalink) Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:29 am Latin abbreviations? |
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Hello everybody!
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Hi, I just thought it would be useful if we could compile a list of frequently used abbreviations with Latin orgin.
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I'm sure there are more? |
Of course!
bis - second
a.v. - ad valorem - to the value
cf. - confer - compare
at al. - et alii/et aliae - and others
ca. - circa - about
NB - nota bene - note well
viz. - videlicet, from videre licet - namely; it is permitted to see
i.a. - in absentia - in absense
A.D. - anno Domini - before Christ
ib., ibid - ibidem - in the same place
s.p.s. - sine prole supersite - "without surviving issue" - this is used in inheritance laws to indicate that a person has no legal inheritors
vide - look; see:
* v.s. - vide supra - see above;
* v.i. - vide infra - see below
v., vs. - versus - "turned against"
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| p.s. (postscript) = extra text added to a document |
p.s. is actually post scriptum and literally it means after what has been written.
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| #4 (permalink) Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:20 pm Latin |
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Hi,
Talking of Latin I find the fact that John Milton (an English poet 1608-1674) who was also Latin Secretary to Oliver Cromwell and wrote one of the greatest epic poems in English (Paradise Lost) seriously thought of writing the epic in Latin because he thought the English language would never last. I am glad he was wrong!
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| #5 (permalink) Mon Dec 05, 2005 15:02 pm Latin |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi,
Talking of Latin I find the fact that John Milton (an English poet 1608-1674) who was also Latin Secretary to Oliver Cromwell and wrote one of the greatest epic poems in English (Paradise Lost) seriously thought of writing the epic in Latin because he thought the English language would never last. I am glad he was wrong!
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Phew!!! The thought of having to write Latin here now instead of English - scary :wink: I learnt Latin over several years, and I even did quite well in that subject - but I suppose I've forgotten most vocabulary by now (surprisingly not so much the grammar). Plus it's much more complicated than English - I only realised what a difficult language German must be for foreign speakers (concerning the grammar) when I had to learn Latin! |
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| #6 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:26 am Latin |
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Hi!
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Hi,
I only realised what a difficult language German must be for foreign speakers (concerning the grammar) when I had to learn Latin! |
Well, German's grammar is not very difficult. At least they don't have a lot exception for every rule as in English! :)
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| #7 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:28 am Latin abbreviations? |
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| But therefore we have all the different verb endings and not only the "3rd-person-singular s" ;-) |
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| #8 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:33 am Latin abbreviations? |
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Yes, and the first time I saw the way you write numerals, I was a bit dazed... :)
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| #9 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:36 am Latin abbreviations? |
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| #10 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:45 am Latin abbreviations? |
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Well, we were taught that you use no spaces when writing them. So, 5223 turns into f?nftausendzweihundertdreiundzwanzig, right? A bit unusual :)
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| #11 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:57 am Latin abbreviations? |
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Ah :)
Yes, it's right, we don't use spaces.
But as you only have to use the numerals for the numbers between one and ten - from ten you always use the numbers - you hardly ever will come across these long words ;o)
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| #12 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:08 am Latin abbreviations? |
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And what about fractional numerals? For example, how would you write, say, 2.71828?
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| #13 (permalink) Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:22 am Latin abbreviations? |
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;o)
The dot in German has the function of seperating numbers to make them easier to read - so 2.71828 would be zweihunderteinundsiebzigtausendachthundertachtundzwanzig ;-)
We use a comma instead of a dot - so we would write 2,71828 - I think it would be written as zwei Komma sieben eins acht....
I've never written it in my life ;-) and I can't think of a situation where you would have two write it. |
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| #14 (permalink) Mon Apr 10, 2006 23:28 pm B.C./A.D |
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| Sidle Jinks wrote: |
Hello everybody!
| Nicole wrote: |
Hi, I just thought it would be useful if we could compile a list of frequently used abbreviations with Latin orgin.
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I'm sure there are more? |
Of course!
bis - second
a.v. - ad valorem - to the value
cf. - confer - compare
at al. - et alii/et aliae - and others
ca. - circa - about
NB - nota bene - note well
viz. - videlicet, from videre licet - namely; it is permitted to see
i.a. - in absentia - in absense
A.D. - anno Domini - before Christ
ib., ibid - ibidem - in the same place
s.p.s. - sine prole supersite - "without surviving issue" - this is used in inheritance laws to indicate that a person has no legal inheritors
vide - look; see:
* v.s. - vide supra - see above;
* v.i. - vide infra - see below
v., vs. - versus - "turned against"
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| p.s. (postscript) = extra text added to a document |
p.s. is actually post scriptum and literally it means after what has been written. |
May I suggest a little correction, Sidle Jinks? AD or A.D. (Anno Domini Nostri Jesu Christi) means in the year of our Lord, i.e. after the birth of Christ. Before Christ (BC or B.C.) is used in English to number years before the Christian Era.
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| In English, usage copies Latin by placing the abbreviation before the year number for AD, but after the year number for BC; for example: 64 BC, but AD 2001. |
I give it to you that it can be confusing: in Spanish we use AC/DC (yes, like the Australian rock band!): antes de Cristo/despu?s de Cristo. |
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| #15 (permalink) Mon Apr 10, 2006 23:55 pm Iesu vs Jesu |
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Yes, you are right!
But I would say Iesu, not Jesu.
Name Jesu(s) is more common for German group of languages. However, substitutions of j for i, as well as of u for v are very common. But the most of 'Classical' texts and prayers do use the traditional form - Iesu (e.g., Iesu Infans dulcissime, in Aegyptum cum Maria sanctissima et Patriarcha sancto Ioseph; Ergo, Iesu, propter Nomen sanctum tuum salva me, etc).
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