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"make" and "turn" #1 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 5:45 am   "make" and "turn"
 

27. She ( ) translator after she graduated from Yokohama University.
A.grew
B.became
C.made
D.turned

The correct answer is D while I chose C.
I wonder if the indefinite article can be omitted when I use "make".
Besides, doesn't "turn" need any preposition here? Such as "into" and "to".

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"make" and "turn" #2 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 6:20 am   "make" and "turn"
 

Your answer is of course no good just because its lexical meaning is not fit there. According to that, only B or D is likely to be the correct answer. Remember that became needs an article when turned not. One more not less common example for this: Spring having come, trees turn green.
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"make" and "turn" #3 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 11:08 am   "make" and "turn"
 

Blue Snow, "Make" means "become" in some cases. For example,
You can make a fair beater. from Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
Danny is such a promising boy that he can make an excellent doctor. from our English textbooks

I'm sure its meaning fits quite well.

As with your explaination, "turn green" turn + adj is of course acceptable. But you didn't notice "translator" here is a noun.

Thanks all the same.
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"make" and "turn" #4 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 11:58 am   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi Takashiro,

I have to admit that I find the test questions and the 'correct' answer a little strange here:

Quote:
She ( ) translator after she graduated from Yokohama University.
A.grew
B.became
C.made
D.turned


The only sensible option to me, which doesn't appear in this test, would be 'She became a translator.'

'Turn' in this sense suggests that she changed from one thing to another. I know it best in this expression 'turn traitor', which means become a traitor but I don't honestly see how you can 'turn translator'. You can, as you say, 'turn into' in the sense of eventually become.

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"make" and "turn" #5 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 12:23 pm   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi Mr Takashiro,

I would give my two cents as below:

1. become/make/turn into a translator = become/make/turn into a member of the professional group: {translator 1, translator 2, ..., translator n}.
BTW, make usually takes an adjectve before the noun such as: make a good translator/wife/etc.

2. turn translator: change from a preceding state to a succeeding state in and of herself: {baby, student, babysitter, translator, ...}.
We can compare turn sth. to a hand of a clock: {8:00, 9:00, ..., 7:00} in the course of time. Thereby, a is not needed for a passing point of process.

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"make" and "turn" #6 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 12:55 pm   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi,

I'm not sure if I have made my point - I can't accept 'turn translator' on its own without any indication of what has happened before. You could say this: He is an entertainer turned teacher. This is acceptable because the transition is clear that he was an entertainer and now he is a teacher.

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"make" and "turn" #7 (permalink) Tue May 04, 2010 23:52 pm   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi Alan,

Thank you very much for your indication and I am completely convinced with it. I would think the original fits your theory: "She (turned) translator after she graduated from Yokohama University." suggests that she had been a student in Yokohama University and was now a translator.

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"make" and "turn" #8 (permalink) Wed May 05, 2010 7:23 am   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi Haihao,

You are the last person I would want to quibble with you but again I can't accept 'she turned translator' in the context above. The fact that she graduated is not relevant since it doesn't indicate what she has turned from. You could as well say 'after she got married, she turned translator'. But there I won't go on about it!

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"make" and "turn" #9 (permalink) Wed May 05, 2010 8:15 am   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi Alan,

Ah, now I see what the essence is in it! Thank you so much indeed, and now I am really convinced: the sentence does lack something.

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"make" and "turn" #10 (permalink) Wed May 05, 2010 11:42 am   "make" and "turn"
 

Hi,

Thank you so much, Alan and Haihao! I can understand the sentence is weird. Anyway, "turn" is the best one, since it's grammatically correct.

Haihao wrote:
BTW, make usually takes an adjectve before the noun such as: make a good translator/wife/etc.

Thanks again, Haihao! I learned something new from you. ;-)
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