A world without America

[Tomasito]

We all know that the United States of America is the most powerful nation in the world. Their economony is stronger than others. They produce the most watched movies, series and tv programs. They interfere in the other countries decisions. They kill inocent people around the world but nobody has the courage to stop them. They decide which is wrong and which is better, who is terrorist and who isn't. Who is friend and who is enemy. Can you imagine a world without America?
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[Torsten]

Hi Tomasito, when you say 'they kill innocent people around the world' you are making a statement which you can't back up by facts and which shows that you have strongly been influenced by an 'anti-American' ideology. There are many reasons why the United States is such a strong nation.

Now, can I ask you some questions? Why do you think so many TV series and movies are produced in the US? Why are so many of those movies and series dubbed into several languages? Why do so many people from around the world enjoy watching those movies and series? As for your question, a world without America would be total a chaos and disaster. It would also be a world without democracy, political stability, innovation and technology.

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[Tomasito]

Hi Tosten.
Thank you for your quick reply.
What's happening in Iraq since 2003 is a genocide. The number of deads in Afghanistan in one year outnumber the number of people who died in 9/11. Whe have enough facts to say such things.

The only serie which was not produced in the US soil or by American producers that I know is Hospital Central, a spanish serie. 24hours, Lost, Prison Break, etc come from US.

These movies and series are are dubbed into several languages because the issues they present in some way are related with the rest of the world. The reason why so many indian movies are unpopular is because they just talk about themselves and their culture.

Democracy within their borders Tosten, outside their bordes they spreed tirany.
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[Torsten]

Hi Tomasito, as far as I know most people in Iraq have not been killed by US soldiers but by Iraqi suicide bombers. Also, in so many countries people are killed on a daily basis without any involvement by the US. Let's take South America or Africa. How many countries do you know on those two continents where there have been civil wars going on for decades? Are you saying that the US is responsible for those killings? Is the US responsible for all the corruption that is taking place in so many countries? It's easy to point the fingers at the US and use them as a scapegoat for all the misery that has been going on.

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[Tomasito]

Tosten, you said "most people in Iraq have not been killed by US soldiers but by Iraqi suicide bombers". This is what the media tells us. They'll never say the true version of the story. They'll never say that an american soldier killed accidentally a civilian. Most of African and south american countries are poor. They don't have money at least to build schools to their children. How can such countries manage to afford these colflits?
I'm not blaming the US. But I belive their corporations are behind these events which happen in the world.
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[Torsten]

Tomasito, why are most African and South American countries poor and the US is rich? Is it because the African and South American countries don't have any natural resources or because Africans and South Americans are weaker by nature? Also, when you say 'A world without America' do you also mean a world without The Red Cross, The Peace Corps, Wikipedia, Google and the Internet? What about the 10 million people who live in the US without a permission. Where would they go if there was no America? The vast majority of them come from South America or Asia. If more than 10 million people take considerable risk to leave their countries for the USA, the USA can't be that bad.

I'm saying that I agree with every single decision they US has taken. I do think that many of their foreign engagements were mistakes but the question is what other nation has the resources and infrastructure to make any positive impact on the world? The sad truth is that the vast majority of all countries are so corrupt and desolate that they spend most of their time and efforts trying to prevent their systems from collapsing. They have not achieved a level of inner stability and democracy that allows them to influence the foreign affairs of other nations. They allow their nations to be governed by a handful of corrupt criminals because that's the way they have been for centuries. The US is a comparatively young nation which has achieved a tremendous level of success in a very short period of time and luck didn't have anything to do with that.

So which country or nation do you suggest should take the role(s) the US has now and why?

By the way, you might find this interesting:

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[Tomasito]

Tosten, let's go back to the past and find an answer to your first question. Why Africans, south americans and some asian countries are poor? During the past 500 years, europeans took all mineral resources from the local populations, they contribute to the origin of slavery and explored their land in all ways. After that they brought a new system: colonialism - the subjugation of one people to another. The european did not care about the human progress of the local populations. They only care about "el dourado". These people didn't have the chance to think about themselves. Their only goal was Fredoom. Something that they got fifty years ago.
I don't care about google, wikipedia, yahoo. The human condition is more important to me.
Those people who migrate to America, most of them latin americans are the owners of that continent. They belong to the land where US is situated.

We don't need any country to take the roles. We've United Nations.
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[Boke]

Actually the original "owners" of North and South America were the native americans, and while they still live in certain area (I think Bolivia is majority native american) most of the latin americans are mixed or of European/African origin.

Tomasito, I would also argue that Asia was treated similarly to Africa in the days of colonialism, why do you think Asia has managed to improve their economies and for the most part stay out of conflict for the last 30-50 years and Africa has not?
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[Geo777]

Hi,
I think, we have a very interesting discussion here. May be it will be a wise decision if we find out what indigenous people of America think about the issue.
It seems a controversial point of view, but nevertheless, most Indians think so.

Speech attributed to Chief Guaicaipuro Cautémoc addressed to Leaders of the European Community

«I, Guaicaipuro Cautémoc, descendant of those who populated America forty thousand years ago, have come to find those who found us only five hundred years ago. The advocate European brother explains to me that all debts must be payed. Even if it means selling human beings or entire countries. So be it! I can also demand payments. It is declared on the books of Western India, that between the years of 1503 and 1660 185 thousand kilograms of gold and 16 million kilograms of silver taken rom my land arrived in Europe. Was it theft? I cannot believe it. I'd have to think that my Christian brothers have failed to obey the Seventh Commandment. Genocide? No... I would never think the Europeans would, like Cain, kill and deny the blood of their own brother. Despoiling? It would be the same as saying that capitalism was developed due to the flooding in Europe by the precious metal torn from my land. Let us consider that the gold and the silver were the first of many friendly loans we lent to Europe. To think differently would be to assume the existence of war crimes, which would give me the right to demand the return of the metals and to sue for loss and damages. I'd rather say, that we, Indians, gave you, Europeans, a loan. And as we celebrate the fifth centennial of that loan, we ask if you used rationally and with responsibility the resources we advanced you. We lament to say you didn't. You dilapidated that money in invincible wars, third reichs and other form of mutual extermination, to end up taken by the NATO troops. You were incapable of ending the capital and stop depending on raw material and inexpensive energy ripped from the third world. And because of that, Mr. Europeans, I, Guaicaipuro Cautémoc, feel obliged to ask for the payment of the loan we generously gave you 500 hundred years ago. And because of that, Mr. Europeans, It is for your own good. No, we won't charge you the 20% to 30% tax interests, that you force upon the third world. We just want you to return the precious metals, plus 10% over 500 years. I'm sorry to say, but the European debt with us, indians, weighs more than the planet Earth. And we've calculated it using gold and silver. We are not considering the bloodshed of our ancestors. We know you don't have that money. Because you couldn't generate wealthy with our generous loan. But there is always another way. Hand over the whole Europe as the first installment for your historical debt.»

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[Tomasito]

Boke, thank you for your contribuition. The answer for your question you'll find here: http://www.beyondintractability.org/essay/post-colonial/
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[Torsten]

[Tomasito]

Tosten, you want me to say U.S. Please, read this article: A letter from a muslim woman to the american people. I'd like to see your comments after that.

http://www.countercurrents.org/nahida050510.htm
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[Political Lurker]

Okay ! - Here's trouble......

but just my opinion Volks (Before the toys come out of the pram)
Firstly I remember the first few months in Germany when I couldn't speak German.
A professor told me between 60 - 70% of communication has nothing to do with what you say...... how true his words turned out to be.I became much more observant watched things more closely listening more intently - it was during this transitional period I began to realize much of what was on TV is in fact propaganda reinforcing myths, false ideals and self imagery.

In spite of what holywood tells us

The US is one of the most racist countries on Earth

It is also by far the most aggressive country by far having killed countless millions of people since WW2

It owes much of its (Former)Wealth to the time it waited before entering WW2 - making its allies wait while it secured better terms etc on its loans and agreements basically Bankrupting France.

It is also the only country to actually use Nuclear weapons in 2 genocides of civilians.

The US is in fact guilty of lots of war crimes etc but since most of the west is brain washed by Western Intel controlled media most people actually think its pretty "Cool"

....... its time to wake up and smell the White Phosphorous.
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[Boke]

Amazing how the most racistcountry on earth elected a minority as their president. What other countries have done that? Has yours?
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[Political Lurker]

Well Boke IMO - Obama is merely part of the Illusion.

If you look carefully I suggest you read the real story of Max Schmeling and Joe Louis - I think it sums up the difference between "Propaganda" and reality.
IMO the MSM is first and foremost a state owned mind control machine.

Joe Louis was portrayed as the black man coming from the free nation and Max Schmeiling portrayed as the "Nazi" from Germany(that racist country)
Apart from the absurd fact that Black Americans were segregated from White Americans in WW2 - after the war Max Schmeiling became the "Face of Pepsi" and made a lot of money - while Joe Louis (black man coming from the free nation)died a down and out.

Max Schmeiling (who had remained friends with Louis) paid for Joe's funeral.

The Schmeiling - Joe Louis story is a good example of

1/ Media - Propaganda

2/ Reality

Some people can see the difference and some can't

"Propaganda" is for the "Herd"

But then what would I know! :-)
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