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#2 (permalink) Thu May 27, 2010 9:58 am has = has got / had got = had |
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These are right: I have a pencil = I have got a pencil I had 2 pencils.
"I had got a pencil" does not mean "I had a pencil", it means that you had come into possession of a pencil (somebody had given you a pencil). _________________ If it's not easy, don't do it!
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#3 (permalink) Thu May 27, 2010 10:04 am has = has got / had got = had |
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| I think we don't use "have got" in the past tense, so we can't say "I had got 2 pencils", in stead you can use "had": "I had two pencils" |
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#4 (permalink) Thu May 27, 2010 10:09 am has = has got / had got = had |
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| Thuynguyen wrote: |
| "we can't say "I had got 2 pencils" |
That's not true Please, read my comment above
The British say "I had got" Americans say "I had gotten"
They are prefectly normal phrases, if put in a proper context. _________________ If it's not easy, don't do it!
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#5 (permalink) Thu May 27, 2010 10:11 am has = has got / had got = had |
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You can indeed say "had got," but it will make it sound just as Tort said.
Both are possible in American English.
I had gotten two pencils. - This most likely means you have actively sought and acquired or just received them. I had got two pencils. - If this were present perfect, "got" would mean you just had them in your possession. Almost nobody would bother with the past perfect in this case, so I tend to think it will be interpreted as "I actively sought and acquired two pencils."
The first sentence sounds better without "got." |
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#6 (permalink) Thu May 27, 2010 10:47 am has = has got / had got = had |
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But I'm talking about the past tense, not the past perfect. So "I had got 2 pencils" cannot be equal to "I had 2 pencils". Waiting for your prompt reply :) |
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#7 (permalink) Thu May 27, 2010 11:00 am has = has got / had got = had |
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"Had got" is the past perfect, my friend.
Past perfect = had + past participle.
Had got Had run Had talked Had bought Had cut Had made
If you re-read my post, you will see that I don't find them equivalent.
However, with the present perfect, these two ideas can be:
Does anybody have a pen? I have a pen. Does anybody have a pen? I have got a pen.
The difference is that almost nobody would express the idea of simple possession in such a sentence with the past perfect, so I tend to think the use of it would almost always be interpreted differently. |
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