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Sentence: By the way the butler does it with the candlestick! | Can a sentence consist of past and present tenses?
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Present Perfect in conditional #1 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 14:11 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

You will find out when the time comes.
or
You will find out when the time has come.

You would win if they failed.
or
You would win if they have failed.

You can't go in unless you buy a ticket.
or
You can't go in unless you've bought a ticket.

If anyone doesn't answer my question again, I'm going to lose my temper
or
If anyone hasn't answered my question again, I'm going to lose my temper.

What does the Present Perfect suggest when it follows "if", "when" and others?
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Present Perfect in conditional #2 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 15:10 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

it is a very complicated questıon Sergey. I am waiting for the answer that will come soon..
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Present Perfect in conditional #3 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 15:52 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

Hi Sergev,

In the conditional sentence the use of the Present Perfect suggests a sense of completion.

If I read the book by tonight, I will come to the party. Here you have a straight example of possibility.

If I have read the book by tonight, I will come to the party. Again there is this sense of possibility but also the idea that the 'if' sentence indicates completion of the action of reading. The meaning is the same in the end but the Present Perfect simply stresses that the action has to be carried out.

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Present Perfect in conditional #4 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 16:06 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

Thank you, Alan, it seems I got it.

What about this one?:

If I've done this by the end of the week, I would do the next one.
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Present Perfect in conditional #5 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 16:19 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

Hi sir Alan,
Could you resolve my doubts?

What about these two sentences? Are both of them correct?

As far as I know we don't use the present perfect tense in the second conditional. Or maybe I'm wrong.
You would win if they have failed.

And here if-part sentence has future meaning. I thought we use the present simple after if for the future.
If anyone hasn't answered my question again, I'm going to lose my temper.

Thank you in advance.
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Present Perfect in conditional #6 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 16:28 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

Geo777 wrote:
Hi sir Alan,
Could you resolve my doubts?

What about these two sentences? Are both of them correct?

As far as I know we don't use the present perfect tense in the second conditional. Or maybe I'm wrong.
You would win if they have failed.



I put here this sentence as an example, and the question is still open if it's correct or not as well as it's meaning...

Geo777 wrote:
And here if-part sentence has future meaning. I thought we use the present simple after if for the future.
If anyone hasn't answered my question again, I'm going to lose my temper.

Thank you in advance.


Now I can tell you the difference.

In this case I've already sent my question and I expect the answer has already arrived.

In contrast, when we say "If anyone doesn't answer" suggests nothing more than a simple statement.
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Present Perfect in conditional #7 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 16:30 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

I got it Alan.
By the way, this using of present perfect in condition statements is common in general speaking?
general speaking is true? or has it a different expression?
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Present Perfect in conditional #8 (permalink) Tue Jun 22, 2010 16:33 pm   Present Perfect in conditional
 

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