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Tue Dec 27, 2005 3:03 am Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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Yes, you are right on both counts, Conchita-- it is redundant, and it is a fixed expression. There are many of these in the language, and they are used for stress: a large fortune, aid and abet, etc. _________________ Canadian-American native speaker who teaches English for a living at Mister Micawber's ESL cafe: Interview with Mr. Micawber |
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Tue Dec 27, 2005 13:46 pm Expressions |
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| Thank you for your prompt reply. I'm new here and not at all used to getting such a quick reaction (we normally go at a slower pace in Spain!), never mind one at all. On top of this I've learned a new expression: aid and abet. |
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Tue Dec 27, 2005 18:32 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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1) To me "when you consider the close proximity of the cottage of Andrew and Sally" sounds more natural.
2) "Tautology" is another good word for "redundancy" |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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Tue Dec 27, 2005 21:01 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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| Ahmadov wrote: | 1) To me "when you consider the close proximity of the cottage of Andrew and Sally" sounds more natural.
2) "Tautology" is another good word for "redundancy" |
Hi,
Bear in mind that what you have written suggests there is only one cottage but there are two!
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Alan Co-founder

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Tue Dec 27, 2005 21:12 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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WOW, what a good point! I really missed that... Hmmmm, however, doesn't this imply that there are two cottages when you speak about proximity? Well, I am not arguing, it is your native language and you have been teaching this language for many years, but cann't this argument change your mind? Thanks |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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Tue Dec 27, 2005 21:16 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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| ...or how about "the close proximity of Andrew's and Sally's cottages"? |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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Tue Dec 27, 2005 22:08 pm Proximity |
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Hi,
To be honest, I'm quite happy with what I wrote in the first place:
the close ......... of Andrew's cottage and Sally's.
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Alan Co-founder

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Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:44 am Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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Hello Alan,
I think it is becoming clearer to me why you prefer that version. Thank you for being patient.
Zahir Ahmadov |
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| What is this competition? | Two of the items is a sufficient quantity |