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Why had and not has? #1 (permalink) Tue Jan 17, 2006 18:22 pm   Why had and not has?
 

English Language Proficiency Tests, Advanced Level

ESL/EFL Test #117 "Past Tenses", question 4

I wonder what ......... happened while I was away.

(a) will have
(b) has
(c) was
(d) had

English Language Proficiency Tests, Advanced Level

ESL/EFL Test #117 "Past Tenses", answer 4

I wonder what had happened while I was away.

Correct answer: (d) had

Your answer was: incorrect
I wonder what has happened while I was away.
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Why had and not has? #2 (permalink) Tue Jan 17, 2006 19:39 pm   Why had and not has?
 

Hi,

Good question. I was thinking of something that had happened in the past.

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Why had and not has? #3 (permalink) Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:09 am   Why had and not has?
 

So it should be "wondered" - although US English is now starting to use past perfect on its own to refer to distant past events. Very confusing.
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Past perfect #4 (permalink) Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:34 am   Past perfect
 

Hi Adrian, I wonder is perfectly correct here. Why makes you think it should be wondered? Maybe you are confusing it with the simple past - past perfect construction that is used in sentences like these:

Before I joined IBM I had worked for Siemens.

Alan's sentence refers to a different situation though. He is describing something that happens in the present (I wonder).
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Why had and not has? #5 (permalink) Fri Apr 07, 2006 15:09 pm   Why had and not has?
 

I disagree. You cannot wonder now what had happened, only what has: "I wonder [now] what has happened [before now]. I wondered [then] what had happened [before then]." You cannot wonder now what has happened before an event in the past that is not mentioned.[/i]
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Why had and not has? #6 (permalink) Sun Jul 04, 2010 21:08 pm   Why had and not has?
 

Hi
I have to agree with Oliver.
I wander (now -present tense) what has happend (before now -present perfect tense, used to express an action that took place in the past and was completed recently or just before the speech time)
I wandered (then- past tense) what had happend (before then -past perfect tense, used to express a past action that was completed before a past moment or, in this case, a past action : ''while I was away'')
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Why had and not has? #7 (permalink) Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:31 am   Why had and not has?
 

Hi Cristina,

Thank you for your comments and welcome to the site. I have to point out what I assume must be a typing error that the verb in question is 'wonder' and not 'wander'.

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Why had and not has? #8 (permalink) Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:21 am   Why had and not has?
 

Ooops!
Yes, the verb in question was supposed to be ''wonder'' and not ''wander'' as I wrote it.
Sorry, newcomer' s awkwardness .Also, I have to admit my English is a bit rusty at the moment.
Really thought I was right regarding the use of tenses in this sentence.
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Why had and not has? #9 (permalink) Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:39 am   Why had and not has?
 

please i dont have anwer please also expound me
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Why had and not has? #10 (permalink) Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:59 am   Why had and not has?
 

Yes, your comments about the tenses is fine.

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Why had and not has? #11 (permalink) Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:41 am   Why had and not has?
 

This seems completely fine to me:

I wonder (now) what had happened (before that point in time, not after) while I was away.

Imagine the speaker went away last year and came back last month. Now he knows what has happened since he came back, but at this point in time he still wonders what had happened while he was away.
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Why had and not has? #12 (permalink) Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:31 am   Why had and not has?
 

I agree with those who think 'had' sounds incorrect here.

Personally, I would be more likely to simplify it to
"I wonder what happened while I was away" anyway.
Otherwise, these are the tenses I would use:
I wonder what has happened while/whilst I've been away.
I wondered what had happened while I was away.

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