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#2 (permalink) Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:41 am The Uk vs. Great Britain vs. Britain |
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Hello Andreana,
Maybe you’ve already visited the ‘Know Britain’ site. Anyway, the following quote from one of their pages might answer your questions. At the same time, it shows that you practically replied to them yourself:
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GREAT BRITAIN, THE UNITED KINGDOM, THE BRITISH ISLES, BRITISH ISLANDS
Many are not aware of the precise meaning of the term "Great Britain". Even many British are unaware of the precise reality that the term expresses. Try asking a person living in the United Kingdom the exact meaning of the expression they have on their passports: "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Many will not be able to provide an adequate answer. No wonder, therefore, that confusion also exists outside the United Kingdom and that in other European countries people erroneously group together the English, Scottish and Welsh under the word in their own language meaning "English". Hence, for example, the French commonly group them together in the term "anglais" and the Italians "inglesi". This can be a cause of offence for the Scottish and the Welsh. |
(In Spain, too, you can still hear ‘Inglaterra’ and ‘los ingleses’ as global terms, even though many of us know it’s wrong.)
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The adjective "British" The adjective "British" is, of course, used in relation to Great Britain but there is also a common tendency to use it when referring to issues relating to both Great Britain and the United Kingdom. This is inaccurate and from a legal point of view erroneous. Sometimes, however, in legislation the term "British" is used to refer to the United Kingdom as a whole, especially in matters relating to the question of nationality. |
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Conchita Language Coach

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#3 (permalink) Mon Jan 23, 2006 13:51 pm British |
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Hi Andreana,
Speaking as someone who's lived here what seems for ever, I have to admit that it's a complete muddle. If you talk about the English, people in the other parts of the country say: What about us (Scottish/Welsh/northern Irish)? The other expression The British sounds terribly formal to me and of late the expression is The Brits, which to me sounds like the title of a soap opera. I also find it very irritating when I go through one of these lists on the Internet where you're asked for your country. Is it Great Britain or United Kingdom? But there we are - it's one of life's minor irritations. On this site in my newsletters I usually say: Here in the UK we ... and when I fill up (or fill out) a form, I usually write: British/English and that seems to suffice.
Have I confused you or what?
Alan _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Phrasal Verbs/run |
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Alan Co-founder

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#4 (permalink) Mon Jan 23, 2006 16:50 pm Uk vs. great britain |
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Hi Alan, thanks a lot for clarifying this point - it shows how complex life can be. That's why it's good that we have the opportunity to pick your brain and get an explanation from you whenever we need. By the way I look forward to reading the next issue of your newsletter. Regards Andreana _________________ A smile will open doors  |
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Andreana I'm here quite often ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:23 pm THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND |
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Someone mentioned about how a Londoner didn't know the difference between the United Kingdom and Great Britain. As already stated by someone else the UK consists of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, whereas Great Britain consisted of the three countries minus Northern Ireland.
But let's muddy the geographical waters a little more. Great Britain is called 'GREAT', not because it is particularly great in the meaning of the word but because it was greater than Brittany in France, which was once under the rule the same monarch, and so that was why Britain was called 'great' to differentiate it from Brittany.
Let's throw a spanner into the Northern Ireland part of the geographical works. Northern Ireland is made up of six counties which is a dependancy of Great Britain. Now Ireland is divided into 4 Provinces, one of which is Ulster, (the other 3 belong to the Irish Republic) consisting of nine counties, wherein lies the six counties already mentioned - the other three counties belong to the Republic of Ireland. Even some natives of Northern Ireland (the British part) find it difficult to get their mind round this as some UK politicians refer to the Irish Dependancy as Ulster, others refer to it as Northern Ireland and yet others to it as simply the 'NORTH'. Now, bear with me on this as it gets slightly difficult. Donegal is a county of Ulster, it is at the extreme northern part of the island of Ireland, it belongs to the Republic of Ireland which is referred to as the 'SOUTH'. So Donegal, whilst situated in the North is in fact in the South. Clear so far? |
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#6 (permalink) Fri Oct 17, 2008 17:31 pm Difference between UK and Great Britain? |
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My two cents:
Great Britain = the island of Britannia (England, Wales and Scotland)
UK = United Kingdom of Great Britain (Britannia) and Northern Island
I suggest that the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish national soccer teams consolidate into one team -- the UK. Such combined forces would really be something to behold... or might, anyway, if any Scottish, Welsh or Norther Irish were good enough to unseat any of England's players. hehe
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Though, seriously, England really badly needs a natural left-side midfielder... so maybe Scotland or Wales could help with that. Ryan Giggs, for instance, could be yanked out of international retirement to play on the left. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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Prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#7 (permalink) Sat Oct 18, 2008 0:37 am Difference between UK and Great Britain? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| I suggest that the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish national soccer teams consolidate into one team -- the UK. Such combined forces would really be something to behold... or might, anyway, if any Scottish, Welsh or Norther Irish were good enough to unseat any of England's players. hehe |
I think such an undertaking would result in more lobbyism than there was before Cappello's arrival. You'd only have to look at the Lions (rugby concentration of troops) to see how the best European players are slaughtered by the all blacks over and over again! _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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#8 (permalink) Sat Oct 18, 2008 18:50 pm Difference between UK and Great Britain? |
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don't they always play in New Zealand though? _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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Prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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