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Someone who says 'I look forward to hear from you' is either a non-native speaker or a native speaker with little or no education.
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| #18 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:43 am Look forward to hear from you? |
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Hi Chaz26,
Tell me. Who uses this construction:
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in your opinion?
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| #19 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 15:42 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Torsten wrote: |
| Someone who says 'I look forward to hear from you' is either a non-native speaker or a native speaker with little or no education. |
It seems like you divide the people around the world in two categories... either you're a grammarian and be considered educated... or have grammar glitches and be considered uneducated... wow... simply, wow.
For you, a person (a native English speaker, in that sense) who says "I'm looking forward to hear from you" eventually falls under the uneducated/badly educated/has little education category... tsk tsk tsk... now, that says a lot on how you comprehend things... shallowly...
I know a lot of educated and well-mannered native speakers who ARE NOT GRAMMARIANS...
The way you think is like a mathematician who has the mentality that people who aren't very good in Math are uneducated...
Being able to converse decently doesn't mean you have to be a grammarian.. or a nerd. |
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| #20 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 15:45 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi Chaz26,
Tell me. Who uses this construction:
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| looking forward to hear from you |
in your opinion?
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A person (educated or not) who does not limit the meaning of EDUCATED by grammatical construction. |
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| #21 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 15:55 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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Hi Chaz26,
I don't know what this means:
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| A person (educated or not) who does not limit the meaning of EDUCATED by grammatical construction. |
Can you elucidate?
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| #22 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 15:58 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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Hi Chaz,
It's not so much about being a 'grammarian' (whatever that might be) or not. It's more about usage. So the question is really how often do you hear people say 'I look forward to hear from you'? Or do you use that phrase yourself? If so, what do you think of people who say or write 'I look forward to hearing from you'?
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| #23 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 16:16 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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Well, 'grammarian' is a real word (perhaps you remember "... and although she may have studied with an expert dialectician and grammarian, I can tell that she was born Hungarian" from My Fair Lady?).
As for the problem itself, I cannot say much because I don't know anything about the occurrence of this mistake in English-speaking countries. I mean, if this expression is infrequent (as well as incorrect), then it would be safe to assume that only poorly educated people are likely to use it. But if it's more common, the matter gets a bit more complicated, because languages always change, and the widespread mistakes of today may very well become standard expressions tomorrow. By the way, is this error similar to the famous 'ain't'? |
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| #24 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 17:23 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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I find this very interesting because I use it all the time to close out my email. "I look forward to hearing from."
I work mostly with native English speakers and I have never come acrossed any grammatical errors like this. I'm not saying they don't make mistakes. It's just that it's unusual to see an erro like this in written communication. I would have to agree with some of the folks on this forum that a lot has to do with the person being a non-native speaker.
Hey Alan,
Everytime you write a comment I have to look up some of the big words you use. Your comments are always helpful. They stir up new ideas.
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| #25 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 19:32 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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Why do guys make it confusing for non-native speakers like me?
I still couldn't understand which of these are correct. I am eager to know because I too make frequent mistakes.
Thanks, hope there will be a conclusion on this. |
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| #26 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 19:39 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Well, if you put it that way, it's enough to say that "look forward to hearing from you" is correct and "look forward to hear from you" is not. |
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| #27 (permalink) Tue Nov 03, 2009 19:59 pm Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Conchita wrote: |
| As they say, Spencer, silence gives consent. I'd still like to point out that you 'look forward to something' (i.e. a noun) so you're right, you can say 'I look forward to your answer'. In business correspondence, though, the usual phrase is 'I look forward to hearing from you' -- the gerund 'hearing' being used like a noun. |
That's what Conchita explained up here  Thanks! |
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| #28 (permalink) Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:35 am Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi Chaz26,
I don't know what this means:
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| A person (educated or not) who does not limit the meaning of EDUCATED by grammatical construction. |
Can you elucidate?
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Simply put, those people I know (some are native speakers) who use that expression basically are educated people who DON'T measure other people's education by the grammatical glitches they have.
By the way, what is your definition of an "educated" person? Having a flawless command of the English language? |
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| #29 (permalink) Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:45 am Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Torsten wrote: |
Hi Chaz,
It's not so much about being a 'grammarian' (whatever that might be) or not. It's more about usage. So the question is really how often do you hear people say 'I look forward to hear from you'? Or do you use that phrase yourself? If so, what do you think of people who say or write 'I look forward to hearing from you'? |
It's quite often that I hear people use that phrase... and I never made it my deciding factor to tell whether they are educated or not.
And yes, GRAMMARIAN is a WORD... REAL word. Frankly, I am quite surprised that amidst the high falluted words you use here, you don't know the word GRAMMARIAN... Merriam Webster may help you on that.
Regarding your question, I judge people (who use the phrase "I look forward to HEAR from you") depending on WHO they ARE and NOT their grammar glitches.
Simply put, just because a person said "I look forward to hear from you" does not mean he's a non-native speaker or an uneducated native speaker.
There's a lot to look at in every person, far more than his command of a language. |
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| #30 (permalink) Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:49 am Look forward to hear from you? |
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| Jayj wrote: |
I find this very interesting because I use it all the time to close out my email. "I look forward to hearing from."
I work mostly with native English speakers and I have never come acrossed any grammatical errors like this. I'm not saying they don't make mistakes. It's just that it's unusual to see an erro like this in written communication. I would have to agree with some of the folks on this forum that a lot has to do with the person being a non-native speaker.
Hey Alan,
Everytime you write a comment I have to look up some of the big words you use. Your comments are always helpful. They stir up new ideas.
Jay |
Lucky you, you're surrounded by GODS.
From my experience, it's a common mistake, unlike your "acrossed" (which is UNUSUAL), that every person has the tendency to make... that's the very reason why there's a thread here for that topic... because IT IS CONFUSING. |
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