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FIFA has pretty authoritatively determined that soccer is really football; Japan has recently bowed the knee and followed suit, as has Australia, and the word soccer is on its way out, I am afraid. I much preferred it, because there are three footballs at the moment: soccer (football), American football (which the Americans shorten to football), and rugby football.
Thank goodness I am not interested in watching any of them.
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| Fri Feb 24, 2006 16:18 pm Football vs. soccer |
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Keep in mind, that the reporter was on CNN, which is an American network. That means his report may be read on American TV. He has to say soccer to make himself clear to Americans. You'll also notice that British reporters on CNN may say truck instead of lorrie.
I think there are more than three kinds of football. There is soccer, American football, rugby, and Canadian football, which is something like US football, but with different rules and a different number of players. Then, in the US, there are tackle football and touch football. |
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| Sat Feb 25, 2006 0:27 am Football vs. soccer |
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Ah. yes-- Canadian football. Right you are, Jamie.
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| Sat Dec 01, 2007 18:21 pm Football vs. soccer |
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Football is the official name for soccer. Soccer comes from association football. Only in the USA and canada do they say soccer.
The global name for football is of course football. The global name for american football is gridiron. Gridiron is a code of handball and not football.
Football is a sport where players control the ball with their feet and only football does this.
Football has been played for many centuries but had no official rules.
The british created rules for football in 1848. After that many codes of handball arose including rugger and gridiron, none of which are codes of football.
There is only one football, american football is known globally as gridiron. |
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| Sat Dec 01, 2007 18:24 pm Football vs. soccer |
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There are in fact many codes of handball.
Aussie rules, gaelic rules, grdiron, rugby union [rugger], rugby league.
All of these sports use their hands and a ball. They come from an ancient british sport called handball that was banned in the 13th century by edward III.
There is one code of football, played by beckham, ronaldinho etc etc and it is the most popular sport on earth by some way. |
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| Sun Dec 02, 2007 14:36 pm Football vs. soccer |
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| Mister Micawber wrote: | | FIFA has pretty authoritatively determined that soccer is really football; Japan has recently bowed the knee and followed suit, as has Australia, and the word soccer is on its way out, I am afraid. I much preferred it, because there are three footballs at the moment: soccer (football), American football (which the Americans shorten to football), and rugby football. |
The fourth is Canadian football, which doesn't have the same number of players or quite the same rules as American football.
The word soccer can't be on its way out in North America, because losing that word will cause too much confusion. |
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| Sun Dec 02, 2007 14:40 pm Football vs. soccer |
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| ruggedstud wrote: | The british created rules for football in 1848. After that many codes of handball arose including rugger and gridiron, none of which are codes of football.
There is only one football, american football is known globally as gridiron. |
The sources I found say that the British codified the soccer rules in the late 1860s, which is almost the same time the rules for American football were codified.
Evidently, two different games called "football" were officially established at essentially the same time. There are at least two footballs. |
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| Sun Dec 02, 2007 17:03 pm Football vs. soccer |
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Even in French and Spanish the usual term is 'football'. Spaniards spell it 'fútbol', pushing its translated equivalent 'balompié' into the background.
This spelling is a good example of an adapted anglicism, like 'güisqui' (can you guess what it is?), 'mítin', 'líder', 'gol' or 'suéter'. |
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| Sun Dec 02, 2007 18:18 pm Football vs. soccer |
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"In 1848 Mr. H. de Winton and Mr. J.C. Thring, two football players from Cambridge University called a meeting with representatives from the major public schools, a 7hr 55min meeting produced the first formal set of rules for the game of association football. "
Football came from football which was a game played all over the world using the feet. In some places it was called "kickball".
Rugby came from handball, gridiron came from rugby union, rugby league, gaelic rules and aussie rules came from rugby union also.
Gridiron is a code of rugby or rugger but has nothing to do with football.
I am guessing americans tried to invent their own sport that would usurp football as the americans at that stage hated everything english. They have clearly failed, which is probably why americans have made a sport out of hating football.
Check out soccersucks.com, americans have even set up websites to attack football. |
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| Sun Dec 02, 2007 19:54 pm Football vs. soccer |
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| ruggedstud wrote: | | Football came from football which was a game played all over the world using the feet. In some places it was called "kickball". |
Kickball is a type of baseball using a soccer ball and the feet instead of a bat. American children all know how to play it.
| ruggedstud wrote: | | Gridiron is a code of rugby or rugger but has nothing to do with football. |
Who made up the name "gridiron" to indicate American football? It's kind of stupid to take the name of the field design and use it to refer to the entire game. Americans sometimes use it to refer to the sport sort of metaphorically, but it's not the name of the sport. It would be like calling soccer "chalk lines".
| ruggedstud wrote: | | I am guessing americans tried to invent their own sport that would usurp football as the americans at that stage hated everything english. They have clearly failed, which is probably why americans have made a sport out of hating football. |
That's a pretty weird guess. In the early 19th century there was an American game in which players tried to move a ball past a line by kicking or batting it. This was the origin of American football. It wasn't started as a self-conscious attempt to reject some British game or other, and the American game predates the establishment of the Cambridge rules for soccer.
I doubt that anybody's making a sport out of hating soccer, since it's played in so many schools and there are so many local leagues. However, a lot of Americans who play soccer as children don't care to follow it when they reach adulthood. My own nephew had soccer as his main sport all through childhood, and he coached children's soccer when he was older, but as an adult he pays no attention to the sport and prefers to watch basketball or American football.
I think it's more accurate to say that Americans simply don't care about and don't pay attention to soccer. But as a person who probably makes a sport out of hating Americans, you'd see it a little differently.
When I was in high school I wanted to play soccer, but there were no teams for boys. It was considered a girls' game where I lived.
| ruggedstud wrote: | | Check out soccersucks.com, americans have even set up websites to attack football. |
I looked at that site, and it appears to contain no derogatory information other than its name. |
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| Mon Dec 03, 2007 0:37 am Football vs. soccer |
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No, you did not mess up, Conchita. I deleted it as a hint that this 'discussion' was coming to an end. No further argument is required here and we can consider the topic closed. The topic of 'football' vs 'soccer' has been covered.
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