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Sat Feb 25, 2006 13:00 pm How to write a CV |
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Dear Tiet,
Many thanks for asking your question which is in line with our forum rules. Could you please tell me more about the job you are applying for? How did you find this position? What company is it with? What does the job description look like? Based on this information we can give you advice (there is no plural of this word) on how to design your CV or r?sum?. Regards Torsten _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Sat Feb 25, 2006 16:23 pm How to write a Curriculum Vitae? |
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There are some good resources on the web that can help you write a CV. One good one is at the University of Minnesota:
http://www1.umn.edu/ohr/careerdev/resources/resume
Here is one that even shows examples of good CVs:
http://www.how-to-write-a-resume.org
One big problem is knowing what the potential employer expects in terms of information. In the United States, we never put our age, race or religion in our CV, and we don't say whether we are married or have children. We also don't tell anything about our parents or their professions, and we don't include a photo. In other countries they put all of those things in the CV, so maybe Torsten or someone else can give you tips on that. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 4148 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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Sat Feb 25, 2006 17:51 pm Curriculum vitae |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | One big problem is knowing what the potential employer expects in terms of information. In the United States, we never put our age, race or religion in our CV, and we don't say whether we are married or have children. We also don't tell anything about our parents or their professions, and we don't include a photo. In other countries they put all of those things in the CV, so maybe Torsten or someone else can give you tips on that. |
The race??? How disgraceful! I can’t believe someone’s race should matter in a civilized society. We have certainly known worse, but still, this is the 21st century... Well, I guess I must be terribly na?ve.
Whether you are married or have children is very important for most employers in Spain if you are a woman, and to be pregnant is almost a sin. You see, first you get 16 weeks maternity leave and then, as a mum, you are bound to have a greater absenteeism rate. To me this attitude is as shameful as minding about your race and I’m not less outraged by it.
As for the other requirements, you normally have to include a photo and your age is also important. But nobody is interested in your parents’ professions. |
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Conchita Language Coach
Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 2702 Location: Madrid, Spain
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Sat Feb 25, 2006 18:10 pm How to write a Curriculum Vitae? |
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Conchita, the point is that race does NOT matter, and it is almost always irrelevant to one's ability to do the job. That is why we NEVER put the race on the CV. It's almost always got nothing to do with the work, and it's illegal for the potential emploer to ask about it. Why should you put your race on a CV if it's irrelevant? That's why we don't.
Here, it is illegal for the potential employer to ask about your race, religion, marital status, number of children, etc.
However, if the police need a Chinese speaker of the Fujian dialect to infiltrate the Chinese mafia, then they can ask about the applicant's race. You're not going to hire an Irishman for that job, whether he speaks Fujianese or not.
Likewise, a waitress in my state has to be 21 to work in a bar, so the employer can ask about her age.
However, if the Irishman is applying for a job as a Swahili professor, race does not matter, and the employer is not allowed to ask. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 4148 Location: Detroit, Michigan, USA
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Sun Feb 26, 2006 14:17 pm Chinese redhead |
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I understood you the first time, Jamie. I wasn’t referring to the States, but to the countries where people are still supposedly discriminated because of their race (because of their poverty is more like it – different and rich is more than OK, different and poor is a sin, and sadly this is a worldwide attitude). Speaking of race, isn’t it about time the word was replaced by something less negatively reminiscent, meaning ‘ethnic origin’?
To end on a happier note, have you ever thought of writing scripts or novels? You’d have enough material for a comedy with your colourful characters. The idea of an Irishman with bright carroty hair passing for a Chinese mafioso is a scream (on the order of Dany de Vito and Arnold Schwartzenegger posing for twins). |
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Conchita Language Coach
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Sun Feb 26, 2006 15:28 pm How to write a r?sum? |
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Dear Tortens Thanks so much for your prompt reply, it is my pleasure to provide you some more information. Well, I got the requirement accidentally. I mean I didn't intend to apply for that job, someone looks for me due to saw my message which I had posted on the internet a long times ago. The company is looking for a salesperson, it is not necessary to have the experience or knowledge of this job, coz we will have to be trained after accepting the job. However, the candidate must work aboard and speak fluent English. For me, it is not a problem because I can speak English even if my grammar is still not successful. So Tortens please do me a favour, I really wish to have your advice. If the above information is not enough, please feel free to let me know I will try to find out some more then. ''One more thing, can you also help me to admend my grammar'' ^^
Thanks in advance for your help,
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tiet Guest
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Sun Feb 26, 2006 15:39 pm How to write a CV/r?sum? |
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Hello again Tiet,
Of course we are always here to give advice and share our experiences. As you can see Jamie (K) and Conchita have brought up some interesting questions regarding the information that should be included in a CV or r?sum?. As you probably know, British companies usually require a CV while US based enterprises rely on r?sum?s. There are some differences between them both but at any rate it's a good idea if you ask yourself the following questions first:
What do I want to achieve?/What are my goals for the next couple of years?
Spend some time creating a list with all the things you want out of life - the small ones as well as the big ones. Yes, I understand you want to apply for that job. You will get that job if your goals are in line with the goals of the company offering the job. So, it makes sense to define your goals before you create your CV/r?sum?. As a matter of fact, you should start your CVr?sum? by stating your goals in a paragraph you might want to call objective.
Let me know what you think, Torsten
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Sun Feb 26, 2006 16:04 pm CV |
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Hi Tiet,
Just to endorse the sound advice given by Torsten, I should also like to add a note. Remember that applying for a job is a two way process. They (future employers) may not want you and also you may not want them. Whatever you put in your CV about personal stuff should in some way describe you and it may well be that this appeals to the employer. If it doesn't, then you wouldn't really like the job anyhow.
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 21:35 pm How to write a CV or resume? |
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| If your employer is located in Europe, I would suggest to use EuropassCV format. Check out this website: getresume.com |
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goras New Member
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Fri Jul 21, 2006 22:19 pm How to sell products through a mini site |
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Well, the interesting thing with getresume.com is that the website is run by people who obviously want to hide their true identity which makes it more difficult for them to sell their services. Also, it's probably a good idea if they get the text on their website proofread and amended. This will improve the level of trust they might be able to establish with their prospects.
On a positive note, I must say Alex Sakota and Rade Santrac (if those are their real names) use a format called 'Mini Site' which has proven to be quite effective when it comes to selling on single product through the Internet.
I wonder if goras has anything to with the getresume guys... _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Sat Jul 22, 2006 0:06 am How to write a Curriculum Vitae? |
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| Yankee wrote: | I noticed that right away, too. Quite a few spelling and grammar errors. Even in their address: British Virging Islands |
In a very useful -- and very amusing -- book called "Confessions of a Recruiting Director", the author bluntly says that if you send out a r?sum? with spelling errors in it, you might as well just throw it in the garbage. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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