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have arrived vs. arrive #1 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:55 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

Hi,

A.Bro, call me when you arrive.
vs.
B.Bro, call me when you have arrived.

I know it's a simple present vs. perfect present question.
But, is there any difference in meaning between the two sentences?

Thanks.
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have arrived vs. arrive #2 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:07 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

I'll give a try before anyone answers.

B. suggests one to call after he/she have arrived, which sequences the events consecutively; while A. suggests one to call when he/she arrive, which sequences the two events more or less concurrently?
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have arrived vs. arrive #3 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:07 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

Rickyrocky wrote:
I'll give a try before anyone answers.

B. suggests one to call after he/she have arrived, which sequences the events consecutively; while A. suggests one to call when he/she arrive, which sequences the two events more or less concurrently?


have/has means an activity that has happened and is true at the time of talking.
Ex: "I have lost my passport" - I can't find my passport now i.e at the time of talking.

"Call me after you have arrived" - means - After the person has reached the destination.

Whereas, when we say something like "Give the key to the security when you leave" :is like giving an instruction, something that happens regularly.
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have arrived vs. arrive #4 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:14 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

[quote="Scooby17"]
Rickyrocky wrote:
I'll give a try before anyone answers.

Whereas, when we say something like "Give the key to the security when you leave" :is like giving an instruction, something that happens regularly.


which one is better in general speaking/ and what's the difference here

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have arrived vs. arrive #5 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:38 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

Answering the original question, I think there's no difference. The one with "have arrived" just sounds longer and more formal.
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have arrived vs. arrive #6 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:57 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

Hi,

The use of 'have arrived' emphasises the completion of the arriving. When you say: We have arrived, this indicates we're not travelling any more, the journey is over and we are indeed here.

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have arrived vs. arrive #7 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:42 am   have arrived vs. arrive
 

anyone please care to explain this

which one is better in general speaking/ and what's the difference here

Please give me a call when you have received my e-mail / you receive my e-mail/ you get my e-mail

I'm a little confused!!
thanks in advance
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have arrived vs. arrive #8 (permalink) Thu Nov 18, 2010 16:10 pm   have arrived vs. arrive
 

According to me, "give me a call when you have received my email" - means "after you receive my email give me a call".

"have received" denotes a time after the action(i.e to receive email) has been completed.

"when you receive/get my email" - is simple present tense. This tense is commonly used to denote regular activities.

I think the case you have mentioned is the difference between British and American English.
For eg, I've just had dinner - British version
I just had dinner - American version(no 'have')

Just my thoughts, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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