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Trial has not been able to come to a verdict? #1 (permalink) Sat Mar 11, 2006 15:17 pm   Trial has not been able to come to a verdict?
 

Hi, on the BBC I've just heard this phrase:

... the trial has not been able to come to a verdict.

Now, how can a trial be able to do anything? Shouldn't be able to be used only in connection with persons or organizations? I mean, a trial is an event, not a person. Maybe I'm wrong?
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Trial #2 (permalink) Sat Mar 11, 2006 16:36 pm   Trial
 

Hi Nicole, You asked:

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Hi, on the BBC I've just heard this phrase:

... the trial has not been able to come to a verdict.

Now, how can a trial be able to do anything? Shouldn't be able to be used only in connection with persons or organizations? I mean, a trial is an event, not a person. Maybe I'm wrong?


I agree that this sounds a bit odd and is, as we say, pushing it somewhat. The only explanation I can put on it is perhaps laziness or to give it dignity, it could be construed as a sort of figure of speech whereby the whole stands for the part. This is called synecdoche. On the whole however I'm inclined to think it's sloppy.

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From April 18 transmission ends? #3 (permalink) Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:41 am   From April 18 transmission ends?
 

Hi Alan, thank you very much for your explanation, I have learned yet another new word: synecdoche.

Here is another strange phrase I have just seen on BBC:

From April 18 analogue satellite transmission of BBC Europe will end.

To me this sounds strange because in my opinion something ends on a day not from a day on. So, I would substitute from with on:

On April 18 ....

Maybe, I'm missing something here?
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On/from #4 (permalink) Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:39 am   On/from
 

Hi Nicole,

This is really a difference in meaning.

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From April 18 analogue satellite transmission of BBC Europe will end.

To me this sounds strange because in my opinion something ends on a day not from a day on. So, I would substitute from with on:

On April 18 ....


If you say Charlie is 17 on Tuesday, you are referring to that day and nothing after that. You could then say: From Tuesday (as he will be 17) he will be able to take a driving test.

This is the case in your example because although the transmission will end on April 18th, it will no longer be in existence after that date/from that date.

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