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Populace vs. population Mon Mar 13, 2006 20:38 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Hi, I know that these two words sound quite similar but I figure there must be a difference between them:

populace vs population

According to my dictionary populace describes the lower layers of a society, the common folks while population is a neutral term to talk about inhabitants of an area or country. Is that correct or am I missing something? Again, thank you for answering all my endless questions.
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Populace vs. population Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:07 am  Populace vs. population
 

My dictionaries don't show much difference between populace and population. They both mean the inhabitants of an area. The thesaurus gives some words indicating the lower strata of society as synonyms of populace, but populace can also be a very neutral term that's got nothing to do with social class.

My feeling is that in the most general sense population sounds more numerical or statistical, and populace sounds more like the actual flesh-and-blood people.

In specific contexts, though, all bets are off.
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Populace vs. population Tue Mar 14, 2006 13:59 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Hi Jamie,
would You explane the meaning of all bets are off?
And an other one: "all else aside" means something like "besides"?
Thank You in advance
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Spell checker Google Tue Mar 14, 2006 14:07 pm  Spell checker Google
 

Spencer, this is what Google says if you search for 'your' word explane: (which clearly does not exist)

Did you mean: explain
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Populace vs. population Tue Mar 14, 2006 18:00 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Thanks Adriana for pointing at it, I meant explain.
Do You know the answers to my questions as well?
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Populace vs. population Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:04 am  Populace vs. population
 

spencer wrote:
Hi Jamie,
would You explane the meaning of all bets are off?
And an other one: "all else aside" means something like "besides"?
Thank You in advance
Spencer

I think all bets are off is a phrase that originated in sports were people would bet such as horse races etc. All bets are off probably indicates that all options are possible in a situation. (anything can happen now)

All else aside means, you concentrate on just one factor and leave all other factors alone.
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Populace vs. population Wed Mar 15, 2006 13:39 pm  Populace vs. population
 

spencer wrote:
would You explane the meaning of all bets are off?

Andreana is right. "All bets are off" comes from gambling, and in everyday language it means that the outcome of something is so uncertain that you shouldn't even try to predict it.

spencer wrote:
And an other one: "all else aside" means something like "besides"?

"All else aside" means something like, "Let's stop discussing the other details of this situation and focus on this one point." This expression is used when we think that unimportant details are distracting everyone from the most important point of a discussion.

By the way, Spencer, where are you, and what's your native language? I'm just curious.
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Populace vs. population Wed Mar 15, 2006 20:22 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Thank you Andrea, and Jamie, for answering my questions.
I'm writing from Hungary.
Why?
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Populace vs. population Wed Mar 15, 2006 22:08 pm  Populace vs. population
 

spencer wrote:
I'm writing from Hungary.
Why?

J? napot kiv?nok! Hogy vagy?

I have been to Hungary several times. What part of the country are you from?
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Populace vs. population Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:00 am  Populace vs. population
 

J?l, k?sz?n?m k?rd?sed!
I'm from Budapest.
Don't say that You recognise this by my writing!
(Anyway, Your message was a shocker, it's made my day,
thanks Jamie)
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Populace vs. population Thu Mar 16, 2006 14:58 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Spencer --

I was in Budapest only a day and a half, during which I got the flu, unfortunately. I laugh now about my time in Budapest, because the place was like a strange semi-nightmare to me. I felt like I was in Prague, but everything was in the wrong place and I couldn't read the signs or understand the people. Have you ever had one of those dreams in which you're in a familiar place but everything has been moved? I guess if I'd stayed a week, I wouldn't have felt like that. Also, the gypsies changing money in the Budapest train station could speak Chinese!

Most of my time in Hungary I was in S?rv?r and in P?cs.

I had a very enlightening thought while I was there. I was startled at how many Hungarian men are named Atilla, and I told a friend that in the West this would be like naming your child Hitler. She replied, "I don't think he did anything that the Germans and the French didn't do."
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Populace vs. population Thu Mar 16, 2006 15:01 pm  Populace vs. population
 

spencer wrote:
I'm from Budapest.
Don't say that You recognise this by my writing!

If I had recognized it by your writing, I wouldn't have asked. I just would have said sometime, "You know, many Hungarians make X mistake because..." But I couldn't tell.
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Populace vs. population Thu Mar 16, 2006 18:20 pm  Populace vs. population
 

spencer wrote:
Hi Jamie,
would You explane the meaning of all bets are off?
And an other one: "all else aside" means something like "besides"?
Thank You in advance
Spencer

Hi,
would you give some examples of "all bets are off"?
thanks a lot
bi
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Populace vs. population Thu Mar 16, 2006 21:18 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Anonymous wrote:

Would you give some examples of "all bets are off"?
thanks a lot
bi

Right now, we're sure we can stay in business, but if our biggest client cancels the contract, all bets are off. (= we don't know if we'll be able to stay in business or not)

Professor Davis is an easygoing professor, so if you get him for the course, you'll get an A without doing much work. Professor Kirchner is very tough, though. If you get him, all bets are off. (He's so tough that a perfect grade is not guaranteed.)

If the economy stays good, the president will surely be reelected. If a recession starts, though, all bets are off. (No one can predict who will win if there's a recession.)
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Populace vs. population Thu Mar 16, 2006 23:27 pm  Populace vs. population
 

Hey Jamie!
How are You?
Since I've read Your messages some things keep on crossing my mind, so I've got to tell them.
I don't know what You have been taught of Attila, the king of Huns, but according to Your writings, I don't suppose they said too nice things about him. Although I don't give a d**n about history, some people might find a bit offensive to mention Attila and Hitler on the same day.
In Europe this subject (the nazis) is still very sensitive,You know.
Not to mention that Attila is a first name, and if You look hard enough, could still find some Adolfs in Germany.
But listen, I have a lot of friends named Attila, but till this time, I've never tought of the king of Huns when I met them.
Do You have a friend called George? Do You think of the dragonkiller whenever You see him? Smile
In our thousand year old history a lot of heroes showed up,
but lately not too many people name their child by them, so You couldn't find too many Attilas betwen the young generation, they rather choose from international names instead.
I've been living in Canada for four years, and I love Canadians (my daughter is one of them), but I was laughing when I saw a streat named by a hockey player.
At the beginning I felt the same way as You did, when You were here, but I got used to it fast, and I think if You come to Hungary next time , and stay longer, You'll like it, trust me.
Don't get me wrong, I have no hard feelings, and I'm really happy for You, it's good to have someone who speaks american english, and this much helpful as You are,
Thanks
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