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#2 (permalink) Mon Jun 06, 2011 18:27 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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I guess not.
Because if you THOUGHT something, you did in the past.
If you say I THINK + YOU ARE, that's fine.
If that person IS NOT AN ARCHITECT but you thought he/she was, then you must use both in the past. _________________ Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart. |
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#3 (permalink) Mon Jun 06, 2011 20:14 pm Re: I thought you were an architect. |
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| Shaky wrote: |
I thought you were an architect. Is it possible to say: I thought you are an architect. |
Hello, Shaky.
(1) I agree with Rudny's excellent answer.
(2) This kind of sentence confuses me, too.
(3) May I share something that I read.
(4) In the opinion of one expert:
(a) It would not be correct to say "I thought that you ARE
an architect."
(b) He then gives two examples (of course, I have changed
his example to "architect"):
(i) Oh, I thought that you WERE an architect, and it seems that I am right. You ARE an architect, aren't you.
(ii) I thought that you WERE an architect, but evidently you
ARE not. I made a mistake. Sorry!
(5) Sadly, I think that many people use the pattern this way:
I thought that you WERE my friend. It is obvious (from your
recent actions) that you ARE not.
Let's see what the language professionals say.
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#4 (permalink) Mon Jun 06, 2011 22:43 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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James, I don't agree with
"(i) Oh, I thought that you WERE an architect, and it seems that I am right. You ARE an architect, aren't you. "
As you say IT SEEMS THAT I AM RIGHT, you then should have said I THINK YOU ARE AN ARCHITECT.
I guess you say I THOUGHT, it means you've stopped thinking that way. That's why we should use the past after saying "I thought this, I thought that..."
My reason for saying that is I believe that if you stop believing that something is true or stop thinking that something is true it's because the opposite was shown to be true.
I mean, if I say
Judging on first appearances, I think you are a doctor. By the way, are you?
And if you say:
Judging on first appearances, I thought you are a doctor, but you're an athlete.
That's the way I think, however I'm still looking forward to what will be said by a language professional. _________________ Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart. |
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#5 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:49 am I thought you were an architect. |
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Oh, I though you were an architect. I'm surprised to find you aren't one. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#6 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:17 am I thought you were an architect. |
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Thank you, Rudny, for your thoughtful answer. And many thanks to Language Coach Beeesneees for a language professional's answer.
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#7 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:23 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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Actually, the sentence 'I thought you were an architect' doesn't tell us whether the speaker thinks differently now or not. A lot depends on intonation and context:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A: I'm a financial analyst. B: Really? I thought you were an architect! I wonder where I got that idea.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (Small talk at a large party for the grand opening of a new building. Many guests don't know each other very well.)
X: This is a fantastic building, isn't it? Z: I'm glad you like it -- especially since I'm the one who designed it. X: Ah HA! I thought you were the architect, but wasn't sure (before now). You must be very proud. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Basically, we always use a past form in the clause following 'I thought' no matter whether what you thought in the past is the same now or not. This does NOT have the same tense flexibility that a reported speech sentence sometimes has.
__________________________________________________________ "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." ~ John F. Kennedy
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#8 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 13:32 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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| this difference of the logic of languages always make me think. It`s just so interesting, in my language we would never say I thought you were an architect we do say i thought you are an architect. Therefore when i started learning English it was so difficult to get used to the way how the english think.. |
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#9 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 15:26 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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That was a very interesting comment, Take It Easy. And many thanks to ESL Expert for the informed answer.
James |
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#10 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 17:38 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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Thank you, James. Of course, my primary intent was to confirm for Rudny what you'd already posted. :)
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#11 (permalink) Tue Jun 07, 2011 19:53 pm I thought you were an architect. |
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You're welcome, James.
ESL Expert, I think there's a slight difference between THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS A FACT and BEING CERTAIN THAT SOMETHING IS A FACT.
Anyway, I agree with you, great explanation by the way. _________________ Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart. |
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#12 (permalink) Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:20 am I thought you were an architect. |
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| RudnyBR wrote: |
| ESL Expert, I think there's a slight difference between THINKING THAT SOMETHING IS A FACT and BEING CERTAIN THAT SOMETHING IS A FACT. |
Hi Rudny,
I agree with that there is a difference, but I was discussing only sentences beginning with 'I thought', so I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. I'm guessing you are referring to the following. That is the point I disagreed with you about:
| RudnyBR wrote: |
| As you say IT SEEMS THAT I AM RIGHT, you then should have said I THINK YOU ARE AN ARCHITECT. |
I disagree with that. People who have no doubt whatsoever that 'you' is an architect would just say 'You are an architect'.
Adding 'I think' to the beginning of that sentences introduces at least a small element of uncertainty. The person would no longer be stating a straightforward, absolute fact, but rather what he currently believes is probably/most likely factual. Saying 'I thought' simply refers to what you thought in the past. It is entirely possible that the degree of certainty about what a speaker 'thought' in the past and about what a speaker 'thinks' now could be the exactly the same.
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