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Sat Oct 07, 2006 15:13 pm Georgian/Russian conflict |
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Hi medeya2012,
Do you know of any country of region that is wealthy and politically stable? I mean, if a region has a lot of natural resources, does that necessarily mean that there has to be a war constantly? What if the people in that region started to share their resources and create more wealth for everyone? How many different nationalities and ethnic groups are there in the Caucasus? Hundreds I guess.
I think most of them don't care too much about what ethnic or religious group they belong to. What they really care about is how they can live a life in peace no matter what religion or nationality they might have. I think that the average Armenian has pretty much the same goals and questions like you. How many average citizens of Armenia and Azerbaijan benefit from the current conflict? I'd say the vast majority of both nationalities don't have the time and resources to engage in the battle. They have to earn a living and the last thing they need is yet another violent conflict. How many Armenians do you know personally? Have you ever heard of the fact that the mass media have a great influence on how people think?
Yes you guessed that right, I'm from Germany and I do speak Russian. So, what do you think of the current Georgian/Russian conflict? Is it similar to the Karabakh quarrel? Who do you think is right and who is wrong?
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 16:33 pm A big hello to all new members! |
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I think that's the reason of wars, there're too many diffferent nationalities in Caucasus for living together in peace.You know, if there're many nationalities in one region and if they all have own gov't, then conflicts between them aren't very strange, unordinary thing. Though they have similar traditions,customs, they always quarrel.For example, Azerbaijanians guessed armenians as their brothers, really, we gave them shelters in Karabakh when they were in bad condition.We gave also Germans shelters when they come here( they came and live in Yelenendorf and Annenfeld in Azerbaijan) but they never tell that Azerbaijanians are cruel and that land where they live is Germany's land.One of German professors(woman) found out that armenians want to get germans' houses in Azerbaijan and drive out Germans from Azerbaijan,she search this fact and will write about it.YOu know when Russia fighted with Iran then Russians moved armenians from Iran and from Turkey to Azerbaijan,and gave them the most beautiful place in Azerbaijan-Karabakh, we met armenians as brothers,helped them,then one day " our brothers" told that Karabakh is theirs.So, is that their thanks to us? I have never met such liar nation as armenians in the world,and they have very good imagination.Armenian people used to tell their children that turks(Azerbaijanians) are their enemies, when we guessed that armenians accept us as brothers.we believed them, that was our mistake.I have never met armenian personally, but if I meet one if them , I will ask some questions to know why they hate all turks, what we did for such hatred towads us? armenians steal our musics too. Did you hear Sari Galin? it means "blond fiancee"(in Azeri) but armenians told all over the world this music is theirs, but they did't change music's name, it's name still is written as Sari Gelin in armenians' discs which they sell in foreign countries, so funny thing. Yes media has great influence on people, we can use it to prove something, but truth. Russia/Georgian conflict is a little different,. I think one country mustn't rush internal matters of the other's or neighbour's.I can't speak about Russia/Georgian conflict, as I don't have much information.They could solve problem easier than we.The right is that one ,which want protect own land. _________________ Either nothing is truth, or the truth is unknown to us... |
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 16:50 pm Armenia/Azerbaijan conflict |
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Hi medeya2012,
If you have never met an Armenian in person, how do you know they are all liars? Do you think it might be possible that some of the Armenians are as honest and good as you? Also, do you think there are or have been similar conflicts to the Karabakh one? If so, how have they been solved? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:58 am A big hello to all new members! |
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Everyone must have information about enemies,so do I.Armenians can look honest and good, but they aren't honest and good us we,they just cannot! I don't know, every conflict has different features,so parties can solve conflict when both want progress on solving problem,if one of the parties run from discussion,talks,what can the other side(Azerbaijanians) do in this situation?  _________________ Either nothing is truth, or the truth is unknown to us... |
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:44 am History of Armenia |
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Hi medeya2012,
You see, a large number of people turn to the Internet as a resource of information. For example, if they want to get an overview of the Armenian history, they google the term 'armenia wiki'. As you know, Wikipedia is very popular amongst Internet users around the world. Now, if you read the Wikipedia entry about Armenia you will find some basic information regarding the country's history and the ongoing conflict with its neighbour. There are lots of people who trust Wikipedia although there certainly are more reliable resources of information available. The thing with those resources is, that most people don't know and use them. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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I understand you. There is one problem, people can find information about any country they want,but they won't know that this information is true, or not. I can't accuse that people who read about one country and believe what is written there. It's not their fault.There are much information about armenians' history.Though our history before century is older than theirs,I didn't see our b.c history there,only 1-2 sentences.If some foreigner read ours and theirs history,they will think that armenians history is older than Azerbaijanians, but it's not right guess. _________________ Either nothing is truth, or the truth is unknown to us... |
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| medeya2012 wrote: | | Armenians can look honest and good, but they aren't honest and good us we,they just cannot! | Hi medeya2012 I'm curious: Do you think the same thing about Armenians who now live in the USA, for example?
The reason I ask is that the only Armenians I know are Armenians whose families have immigrated to America. And I never met one who seemed to be bad or dishonest.
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 14:03 pm A big hello to all new members! |
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Hi Yankee, I don't know about how armenians in USA behave,maybe they look honest.I know that they may say your my brother,at the same time make plans how to harm you,so you can't see what is in their mind.They were honest to Azerbaijanians when we were countries of USSR,but I don't know why suddenly they changed mind after secession of USSR.So, now I don't believe that there may be armenian that thinks Turks, Azerbaijanians their friend,neither do we. Maybe you're American,that's why they're honest with you,I don't know.I don't believe them after what they did with our nation,so cruel. _________________ Either nothing is truth, or the truth is unknown to us... |
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 14:14 pm Honest and dishonest people? |
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Hi medeya2012,
What do you think happens if an Armenian marries an Azeri and they have a child together. I mean, would that child be honest and good like the Azeris or dishonest and cruel like the Armenians? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 14:34 pm A big hello to all new members! |
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Good question! There were a lot of Azeris that married with armenian girls,in times of USSR,now we have a lot of people taht are children of theirs.Now they live in Baku,so? Most of them are like their armenian uncles,they think like armenians.But I know one whoes father is Azeri and mother is armenian,but he's honest and good as his father, not his uncles armenins. _________________ Either nothing is truth, or the truth is unknown to us... |
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Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:32 am A big hello to all new members! |
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Hi! I'm new to this forum. I am interested in learning english and improve my communication skill. My name is rupali, I,m from India.
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Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:38 am Hi, every friend |
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Hi, every friend, Last time, I just want to have a try to type chinese characters. hehe, is there anybody wanting to study chinese? Quite cool, chinese characters.
I will travel to Chicago early next month, and stay there for about 3 months, biz trip. Is there any friends here from that place? _________________ Always be your friend and ready to appreciate your comments.
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Hi Conchita, How are you? I am Arvind from India. I am preparing for GRE. I hope this forum would be useful to me. Cheers! |
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