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'TO' with Verb and Pronouns #1 (permalink) Wed Jul 27, 2011 14:25 pm   'TO' with Verb and Pronouns
 

Hi,
Can someone guide me through a problem i stumble upon quite often when reading here and there ?

I see a lot of sentences where 'to' is often omitted. Now, i know it is not found with words like - bid, bade, let, dare etc. But i find it missing too from some lines like :-
(These are in passive voice. And between verb and pronoun.)
1. Admittance was 'refused him' by the Durban.
2. A chair was 'handed her'.

Oh, and then there was one with preposition and pronoun.
Example : He was sitting 'next her'.

I thank you if you could help explain to me in detail, why ?
And if there are other instances where TO can be omitted ?
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'TO' with Verb and Pronouns #2 (permalink) Wed Jul 27, 2011 23:00 pm   'TO' with Verb and Pronouns
 

Hi it sounds like a matter of informality or being slang...when I first saw your post I was reminded of a possible form of"deny":I can't find it in books but it sounds somewhat familiar to say informally for example "permission was denied her"..(formal......> denied to her".
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'TO' with Verb and Pronouns #3 (permalink) Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:03 am   'TO' with Verb and Pronouns
 

It's certainly grammatically correct in the active voice:

They refused him permission
He handed her a chair.

Dozy made an important point elsewhere in these forums earlier about the fact that when they are speaking informally, many people don't use grammatically correct sentences - the language is not pure.
Perhaps this is an example of an active phrase voice being used in the passive voice without much thought behind it.
I find it acceptable informally.

However, 'next her' is definitely incorrect in all instances.
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'TO' with Verb and Pronouns #4 (permalink) Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:02 am   'TO' with Verb and Pronouns
 

Can I say:
"They refused permission to him". ?
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'TO' with Verb and Pronouns #5 (permalink) Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:27 am   'TO' with Verb and Pronouns
 

Your message is almost identical to that sent be someone earlier this week. That person was banned for posting the same message across many threads and forums, but not making any other response. Was it you?
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'TO' with Verb and Pronouns #6 (permalink) Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:28 am   'TO' with Verb and Pronouns
 

Allifathima wrote:
Can I say:
"They refused permission to him". ?


No. They refused him permission.
They refused to give him permission.
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Thanks #7 (permalink) Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:09 am   Thanks
 

Thanks for taking the time out and giving the questions your thoughts. No, non of the questions asked i believe could be grammatically incorrect. I have taken them word to word from well known old English novels. That's how they came to the fore. All i need to know is the why of it. That is, if anyone knows , why the 'to' is missing. Thanks again. :)
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