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#2 (permalink) Tue Aug 09, 2011 13:22 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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She is... it is present tense. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:56 am she's probably stuck in traffic |
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| is it possible also to say: She has been stuck in traffic.? |
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#4 (permalink) Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:25 am she's probably stuck in traffic |
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Only if it is known for certain that she is no longer stuck in traffic. The use of 'probably' indicates that this is not the case. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Aug 11, 2011 14:16 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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She has been stuck in traffic. - I think that she is still stuck in trafiic, because Present Perfect tense continues up till now. I think your words would be concern : She was stuck in traffic- Only if it is known for certain that she is no longer stuck in traffic -your words. What do you think?, thanks. The use of 'probably' indicates that this is not the case.-- what the case? |
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#6 (permalink) Thu Aug 11, 2011 15:34 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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I don't think you are understanding what I'm trying to say in that last message. Let me try again.
You can only use 'has been stuck' instead of 'is stuck' (present tense) if you know that she is not stuck in traffic any more. She was, but now the action is past and she isn't stuck. Because the speaker in the conversation said 'probably' we know thathe does not know for certain where she is. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#7 (permalink) Thu Aug 11, 2011 19:47 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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| I understand you now and before very well about ,, has been stuck'' but this tense (present perfect) lasts from the past until now, so why you have written that she is not stuck in traffic any more? |
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#8 (permalink) Thu Aug 11, 2011 20:29 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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Simply because use of the present tense is more straightforward if she is still stuck in traffic. You would only use 'hqas been' if you were to add a specific time.
She has been stuck in traffic all morning. She has been stuck in traffic for 3 hours. She has been stuck in traffic since 2pm. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#9 (permalink) Fri Aug 12, 2011 13:34 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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1.Ok, so I can't say without a specific time: She has been stuck in traffic.,right? 2. but your the last three examples concern complited actions, that's why you are writing thats he is not stuck in traffic any more? Thank you Dear Beeesneees |
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#10 (permalink) Fri Aug 12, 2011 16:06 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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You can say 'she has been stuck in traffic' but not in this example where simple present tense is more appropriate. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#11 (permalink) Fri Aug 12, 2011 19:27 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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Beeesneees's quote: You can only use 'has been stuck' instead of 'is stuck' (present tense) if you know that she is not stuck in traffic any more. She was, but now the action is past and she isn't stuck.
Why? Because 'has been stuck' is a completed action? But Present Perfect tense has also connection with now, so why it means according to you:'she is not stuck in traffic any more' by using 'has been stuck'? |
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#12 (permalink) Fri Aug 12, 2011 21:29 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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I'm losing the will to live here slowly, Saneta. The use of 'probably' indicates that the speaker really doesn't know wgere she is. The speaker is just guessing. I have chosen the most natural tense. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#13 (permalink) Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:45 am she's probably stuck in traffic |
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Dear B., why can't you reply to my direct question and about things you have said by yourself (the quote), why do you avoid it? I was asking about ,has been stuck' , not about ,probably'. Many thanks. |
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#14 (permalink) Sat Aug 13, 2011 13:11 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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You're not understanding my point, Saneta. You are the first person to have mentioned 'has been stuck'. I only tried to explain why it wouldn't have been used in the test question. I'm not trying to avoid anything, but I can't think of another way of explaining it. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#15 (permalink) Sat Aug 13, 2011 14:52 pm she's probably stuck in traffic |
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Dear Beeesneees, yes, you have given the right answer to this topic and it's explanation, but BESIDES THAT/APART FROM IT I asked about ,has been stuck'- your explanation to it was: ''Only if it is known for certain that she is no longer stuck in traffic'' OR ''You can only use 'has been stuck' instead of 'is stuck' (present tense) if you know that she is not stuck in traffic any more. She was, but now the action is past and she isn't stuck''. - so please forget about things towards the right answer, and please tell why ,has been stuck' concerns 'she is no longer stuck in traffic'? - I probably can't agree to that because 'has been stuck' has connection with the present, so why we can say about it :''she is no longer stuck in traffic''?, because ,has been stuck' lasts from the past until now.
Now, I'm just care about your answer to the question in bold. I appreciate you help and thank you very, very much. |
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