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#2 (permalink) Mon May 01, 2006 19:55 pm Any sense? |
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| "I've haven't been skiing", this sentence for me does not have any sense...My point is the structure that the sentence is using, I think is not correct at all---but not pretty sure...If someone has any explanation I'd appreciate it.... thanks in advance. |
Hi Serzige
The sentence is incorrect. And it doesn't make any sense to me, either.
(Maybe someone wasn't sure whether they'd been skiing or not... the sentence seems to be both positive and negative. :roll: :wink:)
You could say either: "I've been skiing." - OR - "I haven't been skiing."
Does that answer your question?
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#3 (permalink) Tue May 02, 2006 3:14 am Any sense? |
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| Serzige wrote: |
Hi... "I've haven't been skiing", this sentence for me does not have any sense...My point is the structure that the sentence is using, I think is not correct at all---but not pretty sure...If someone has any explanation I'd appreciate it.... thanks in advance. |
The reason it's incorrect is that with I've and haven't, you've doubled the helping verb have. You're saying, "I have haven't been skiing," which, as you say, makes no sense. It's like saying, "I do don't like it," or, "He will won't visit us." All of those are nonsense.
There was a musical group in the 1980s called "Was Not Was", though. Their name also didn't make sense. |
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#4 (permalink) Tue May 02, 2006 23:42 pm Any sense - "I've haven't been skiing" |
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| I agree. You have, in effect, said the word "have" twice. I think you got confused because of the the connected words "I've" and "haven't". When this happens, try separating the words "I've" to "I have" and "haven't" to "have not" so you will see clearly what you are doing wrong. |
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#5 (permalink) Wed May 03, 2006 4:35 am Any sense? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Serzige wrote: |
Hi... "I've haven't been skiing", this sentence for me does not have any sense...My point is the structure that the sentence is using, I think is not correct at all---but not pretty sure...If someone has any explanation I'd appreciate it.... thanks in advance. |
The reason it's incorrect is that with I've and haven't, you've doubled the helping verb have. You're saying, "I have haven't been skiing," which, as you say, makes no sense. It's like saying, "I do don't like it," or, "He will won't visit us." All of those are nonsense.
There was a musical group in the 1980s called "Was Not Was", though. Their name also didn't make sense. |
| chocolatee wrote: |
| I agree. You have, in effect, said the word "have" twice. I think you got confused because of the the connected words "I've" and "haven't". When this happens, try separating the words "I've" to "I have" and "haven't" to "have not" so you will see clearly what you are doing wrong. |
Ok guys...Thanks for your explanations. Nevertheless, I give you this: the most strange thing for me was that the sentence, I've mentioned before, it was taken from the cambridge dictionary. All this happened when I looked the word "appeal" up in the dictionary. Afterwards, the whole sentence appears like this: "I've haven't been skiing--it's never really appealed". Finally, I would like to know if the dictionary is wrong or I am...
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#6 (permalink) Wed May 03, 2006 6:52 am Any sense? |
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Ok guys...Thanks for your explanations. Nevertheless, I give you this: the most strange thing for me was that the sentence, I've mentioned before, it was taken from the cambridge dictionary. All this happened when I looked the word "appeal" up in the dictionary. Afterwards, the whole sentence appears like this: "I've haven't been skiing--it's never really appealed". Finally, I would like to know if the dictionary is wrong or I am...
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Hi Serzige
That is a strange sentence! I don't particularly like the end of it either. I'd prefer adding something like 'to me' to the end of the sentence --- after 'appealed' (here: appeal = transitive verb).
Here's a theory: Possibly the writer first wanted to say 'I've never been skiing...' and then changed his/her mind because the word 'never' also appears in the second half of the sentence. The writer then decided to write 'I haven't ever been skiing...' instead. Somehow both 'ever' and 'never' got deleted and 'have' ended up doubled. (A "cut and paste" problem?)
However, this doesn't explain the end of the sentence. Does the the missing 'to me' bother anybody else? Or is it just me? I might be willing to say 'it's never really been appealing' but not 'it's never really appealed.' Without the context of the first half of the sentence (which doesn't make sense anyway :roll:), 'It's never appealed' sounds like a reference to legal proceedings.
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#7 (permalink) Wed May 03, 2006 8:24 am Cambridge Dictionary |
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Hi Serzige,
Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs! This is clearly a misprint. I've haven't seen anything like it.!!!!
Alan
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Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary Search Select another dictionary Select another dictionary... --------------------------- Learner'sAmerican EnglishIdiomsPhrasal VerbsFrench / EnglishSpanish / English We publish dictionaries for people learning English all over the world
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Definition appeal (ATTRACT) Show phonetics verb [I not continuous] to interest or attract someone: I've haven't been skiing - it's never really appealed. It's a programme designed to appeal mainly to 16 to 25 year-olds. I think what appeals to me about his painting is the colours he uses. |
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#8 (permalink) Wed May 03, 2006 20:32 pm Cambridge Dictionary |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi Serzige,
Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs! This is clearly a misprint. I've haven't seen anything like it.!!!!
Alan
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Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary Search Select another dictionary Select another dictionary... --------------------------- Learner'sAmerican EnglishIdiomsPhrasal VerbsFrench / EnglishSpanish / English We publish dictionaries for people learning English all over the world
Choose the right dictionary for you...
Definition appeal (ATTRACT) Show phonetics verb [I not continuous] to interest or attract someone: I've haven't been skiing - it's never really appealed. It's a programme designed to appeal mainly to 16 to 25 year-olds. I think what appeals to me about his painting is the colours he uses. |
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Thanks Alan for you answer...and everybody too. So it means I wasn't wrong. Therefore, there's a whole host of reasons that you guys have given me in order to go beyond what I see, when looking words up in a dictionary ...thanks a lot....
By the way Alan, what does "I'll go to the foot of our stairs!" means?? Thanks! _________________ Sergio M.
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#9 (permalink) Wed May 03, 2006 22:38 pm Expression |
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Hi Sergio,
You asked:
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| By the way Alan, what does "I'll go to the foot of our stairs!" means?? Thanks! |
This expression means I am completely and utterly surprised It's similar to another one suggesting that you are utterly amazed: You could knock me down with a feather! _________________ English as a Foreign Language You can read my EFL story Progressive Forms |
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#10 (permalink) Sun May 07, 2006 0:44 am Any sense? |
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Here's a theory: Possibly the writer first wanted to say 'I've never been skiing...' and then changed his/her mind because the word 'never' also appears in the second half of the sentence. The writer then decided to write 'I haven't ever been skiing...' instead. Somehow both 'ever' and 'never' got deleted and 'have' ended up doubled. (A "cut and paste" problem?)
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The sentence 'I've never been skiing' didn't sound quite right to me. Then I thought it was due to the combination of the adverb 'never' with what looked like a present perfect continuous. It took me some time to realise that it's a present perfect and that 'been' here is used as the past participle of 'go' (to go skiing, meaning the action of skiing).
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#11 (permalink) Sun May 07, 2006 8:13 am Any sense - "I've haven't been skiing" |
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Hi Conchita
I hadn't noticed that! That's a very good point. You're absolutely right! The funny thing is, "I've never been skiing" didn't set off any "grammar alarms" in my head --- even though after 16 years of teaching ESL, those alarms are usually quite easily tripped. So, I've been scratching my head as to why not. (Do you think head-scratching can repair an alarm? ;))
"I've been skiing" would be present perfect continuous of the verb 'to ski'. If you pay strict attention to the "Grammar Gods", then "I've never skied" would be preferable to "I've never been skiing". But "I've never gone skiing" would be the best choice of all.
I'm a puzzler by nature, so I did a Google search for "never been skiing" and got 25,200 results. Hmmmmm.... A quirk in popular usage?
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#12 (permalink) Sun May 07, 2006 9:23 am Skiing |
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Hi Amy and Conchita,
Let me into a secret,will you? What are you talking about, please?
Why do you say:
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What's wrong? As someone involved in EFL for some 50 years (oh dear!) no alarm bells are ringing for me. Maybe the batteries need replacing.
Anyways (said with Liverpool accent) be can convey all sorts of things and certainly go.
Help
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#13 (permalink) Sun May 07, 2006 10:55 am Any sense - "I've haven't been skiing" |
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Hi Alan
Thanks for the input. ;) Your feedback tells me that 'I've never been skiing' sounds just as valid to you as 'I've never gone skiing'.
This is what I understand to be the point of the conversation between Conchita and me:
The word 'never' is not normally used in a present perfect continuous (progessive) sentence. e.g.:
I've never worked in London is definitely better than I've never been working in London.
But somehow it sounds OK in the sentence 'I've never been skiing.'
Amy
Edit: If you say 'I've never been to London', then 'be' would have a meaning similar to 'go'. So I guess that's the explanation for the 'skiing' sentence, too. Thanks. _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#14 (permalink) Sun May 07, 2006 11:05 am Never been |
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Hi Amy,
Your sentence:
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is all right if you then complete the sense of when because the continuous idea has got to have a background of some kind. Let me try to explain:
I've been working in London now for many years but I've never been working at a time when there have been so many tourists around.
What do you think?
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#15 (permalink) Sun May 07, 2006 11:11 am Any sense - "I've haven't been skiing" |
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Hi Alan,
Yes, I guess you could use it that way, but I would probably tend to use the simple present perfect in the second half of the sentence. I've been working in London now for many years but I've never worked at a time when there were so many tourists around.
Or worse, it (the verb work) might just end up in the simple past tense from an American mouth ;)
I've been working in London now for many years but I never worked at a time when there were so many tourists around.
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