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#17 (permalink) Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:05 am did study vs. studied |
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The only words I'd have a problem defining as one or the other are jail/prison. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#18 (permalink) Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:13 am did study vs. studied |
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| Torsten wrote: |
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Bev, as far as I know, Mr Micawber is originally from Canada and has been living in Japan for many years. Why would you assume that 'on the test' is American English while 'in the test' is British English?
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It's not an assumption. It's information I discovered on this site at an earlier time.
I had not heard the term 'on the test' used for academic type tests (only in relation to a date for a test or combined with a wish for success such as 'Good luck on your driving test) and when I answered a previous question about the use of the preposition, I assumed it was incorrect as it is not used in the UK. Someone (and I have a feeling it was Mister Micawber) pointed out that this was the standard preposition in the US, where 'in the test' would sound odd. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#19 (permalink) Thu Feb 16, 2012 18:12 pm did study vs. studied |
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It's not an assumption. It's information I discovered on this site at an earlier time.
I had not heard the term 'on the test' used for academic type tests (only in relation to a date for a test or combined with a wish for success such as 'Good luck on your driving test) and when I answered a previous question about the use of the preposition, I assumed it was incorrect as it is not used in the UK. |
I’m sorry to have triggered a controversial question. As we know, a teacher is a life-long student. And a student should be discerning. I’m no exception.
Now please examine the optional possibilities below, and look at my question from that angle.
In India: A person cannot but remain sceptical until he/she ascertains whether the sentence that the banker checks the cheque for its genuineness if its colour is found to be different from the normal one before it is being fed into a machine that runs on a computerized programme, is correct or formally acceptable.
In the US: A person cannot but remain skeptical until they ascertain whether the sentence that the banker checks the check for its genuineness if its color is found to be different than the normal one before it is being fed into a machine that runs on a computerized program, is correct or formally acceptable.
In the UK: (I am afraid, I can't say it for sure. Bev might help me).
Another point is the question of AmE and BrE. They do exist; otherwise why the difference? Even in the OUP/ELBS lexicon this distinction is well brought out. For e.g. Color: American spelling for Colour.
In my view, a student taking an examination anywhere needs to be prescriptive as there is no option in situations like the one shown above. So, what the student should follow will depend on the place where the test is held, taken and evaluated. _________________ Anglophile |
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#20 (permalink) Thu Feb 16, 2012 19:51 pm did study vs. studied |
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Sorry, I don't imagine your 'American' version is correct at all. Perhaps the lack of punctuation is throwing me, but I cannot get it to make sense. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#21 (permalink) Thu Feb 16, 2012 20:06 pm did study vs. studied |
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I think all of those sentences are just horrible.
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#22 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:59 am did study vs. studied |
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Hi Torsten! Almost all right about your views for AmE vs. BrE.
Point is it depends on the market position whether you love or not ----like, there are no differences between them. Reality is it has.
See at: www.helium.com A famous paid writer site. where they say about the writing tone or which tone will be prevailed they have indicated it at the rules of writing. America has desperately been occupied all the markets, because her R and D cost is the highest in the world compare with any single country (on earth.)
I first discovered your site for appeasing myself from these hurdles. More clear, one co. that is Odesk, they have several English language tests in English--Like- Oxford Style writing, Michigan style etc. including Basic English in the USA or UK.They named it.(You might have known them).
You can't over look them because I used to test myself about my English position because of 2,30,000 test takers who have already been tested their English level-I am still here about to top 20 or 10 at somewhere.
Torsten, those have good scores here they are really good in English. Because they are earning here with highest paying like per hour 60 $ as a paid writer! Now somebody introduces himself as an Odesk certified holder! As like TOEFL scorer!
After the USA and Uk, India has the highest speakers in English, hasn't she? Indian Bollywood replica came from the Hollywood. It has a big market in the middle east. UK's people are now watching 80% movies from the USA. I am so sorry telling these bitter reality, but it had established by Mr. George Washington on 4 th July, 1776.
If anybody likes to avoid these reality( he can be it is his rights), but I can say----- they are just dreaming on the day light! Please forgive me if I hurt anybody-but I like to write all the truth(If possible!). _________________ Quazi,(46) a writer, thinker & humanist
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#23 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:32 am did study vs. studied |
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| Beeesneees wrote: |
| Sorry, I don't imagine your 'American' version is correct at all. Perhaps the lack of punctuation is throwing me, but I cannot get it to make sense. |
I only meant the conspicuous existence of the orthographic variance and the modern approach to grammar in the sentence.
A person cannot but remain skeptical, until they ascertain, whether the sentence (that the banker checks the check for its genuineness, if its color is found to be different than the normal one, before it is being fed into a machine that runs on a computerized program), is correct or formally acceptable.
The point is sceptical/skeptical, he or she ascertains/they ascertain, cheque/check, colour/color, different from/different than, programme/program are all acceptable, but certainly not everywhere. _________________ Anglophile |
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#24 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:24 am did study vs. studied |
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Well, even with the punctuation the sentence is both nonsensical and grammatically incorrect, but rergading the point of differences: Britain: sceptical; he,she vs they form -- all acceptable cheque colour cheque colour 'different to' most commonly, otherwise 'different from' program -- computer/data related as this example is. Programme -- TV, radio or event related.
However, I think that the point being made by Torsten is that in everyday usage any British speaker would recognise and accept the American versions and vice versa. , _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#25 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:42 am did study vs. studied |
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I find this British vs. American English discussion so funny because it's such a minor issue. The differences between British and American English and between Australian and Irish English are so few and small that they don't even matter at all to any learner of English. Native speakers of any country communicate with each other without any language problems whatsoever. It's the ESL speakers and teachers that talk about a topic that doesn't exist.
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#26 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:51 am did study vs. studied |
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To be fair, because there are differences, I don't think you can say that the topic doesn't exist. Sometimes differences have to be commented upon, as earlier in this thread when someone asked why one particular preposition was used that they didn't expect to see in that context. Occasionally differences have to be addressed, such as the difference between 'cheque' and 'check' in British English. I agree that by and large too much is made of the differences, though. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#27 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:59 am did study vs. studied |
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And I'd like to add the differences are diminishing instead of growing. Also, when it comes to differences between versions of English, nobody seems to be interested in Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian English. It's always 'American vs. British English' whatever that might mean.
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#28 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:38 am did study vs. studied |
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Hi,
I think the important point to make is that these 'differences' are just variations. No doubt anyone listening to me rabbiting on in recorded bits on these forums (and I do do this a lot) will spot the differences in accent between what I sound like and what Bev sounds like even though I do outrabbit her considerably. 'Outrabbit?' Now, that's not in the OED, I am sure but no doubt the meaning is clear, isn't it? Oh, English! thank goodness you are free to come and go as you please. Down with pedants, I say.
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#29 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:49 am did study vs. studied |
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| Beeesneees wrote: |
| The only words I'd have a problem defining as one or the other are jail/prison. |
Bev, would classify 'downtown' as British or American English?
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#30 (permalink) Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:22 am did study vs. studied |
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As far as, I contemplated the conversations--
Good, reality seems at least pertinence.
More, I am astonished to see a recent changing that Canadian present immigration rules have imposed a funny bar(but being an one of administrators in a private sector, I understand their head ache!)that is for immigration seekers, like, any one whether he is a native speaker in English or not has to produce an English proficiency certificate(e.g. IELTS or other) just to hold off these debates! Please see: To be an immigrant:English requirements.(Canadian Govt. site) www.cic.gc.ca
Because situation demands everything. If I am a blind it doesn't care for 'Tornado', Typhoon, Gusty weather whatever you say, she will work by her way! I heard in 2ww., food crisis was in such a position in a certain time, just by a loaf, a man could buy a pretty woman in a night. It doesn't mean anything, as a true picture that 'to what extend' can be realized by a particular circumstance. _________________ Quazi,(46) a writer, thinker & humanist
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