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Yes, it should.
Unfortunately corrections are not being picked up at the moment:
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Hi OTS,
When you split hairs, your incisions are invariably spot on. But on this matter, to mix metaphors even further, I am going to have to cross swords with you. To me there is a choice between saying 'give in to them' and 'give into them'. I am happier with the latter.
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi OTS,
When you split hairs, your incisions are invariably spot on. But on this matter, to mix metaphors even further, I am going to have to cross swords with you. To me there is a choice between saying 'give in to them' and 'give into them'. I am happier with the latter.
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Morning Alan,
I had to have misused the idiom. :)
Actually I didn't intend to come across as being correct, I only wanted to stress that my question was small potatoes because I though that "into" and "in to" were pronounced in the same way and there was no difference between them in speech (only in writing).
Now that you've pronounced them differently, I gather there's more to my question than I originally thought.
You said that there's a choice. Could you tell me in what circumstances you will choose "give in to them" over "give into them" then?
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Maybe there isn't really a choice now I come to think about it. Possibly if you wanted to stress 'them' after 'to', it would work.
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Hi OTS,
I can't work out whether Alan has completely changed his mind and is now saying that 'in to' is correct whereas 'into' is incorrect, but for me, 'give in to them' is still the only correct choice within the context of this statement and you are spot on.
The preposition 'into' does not work here.
give in - phrasal verb'; to -preposition referring to them, i.e. the temptations of the job.
If you give in / to the temptations of the job.
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I see you have changed your reply. What I said was perhaps there isn't a choice if you accept that you can also say: 'Give in to them', with the stress on 'them'. All I say is that 'Give into them' is acceptable.
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Hi Bev,
Heard your recording and correct me if I'm wrong but I heard 'into them' and not 'in to them'.
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| You said that there's a choice. Could you tell me in what circumstances you will choose "give in to them" over "give into them" then? |
if you give into them = if you enter into them
if you give in to them = if you surrender yourself to them
Alan obviously disagrees with me regarding which meaning fits best in the context of 'temptations'.
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Hi,
What on earth does 'enter into them' mean, when it's at home?
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'into' requires some sort of sense of place, direction or entrance.
I'm happy for you to produce a better parallel for the term 'give into'.
I'd rather not turn this into a spat which will only cloud the issue at hand.
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Hi,
The 'spat', if such it is, is in your mind. I listened to your recording and you use 'into' as one word rather than two separate words 'in' and 'to' and I still don't know what 'enter into them' means.
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In and to are separate there despite what your ears may suggest to you.
Do you seriously expect me to believe you don't understand the term 'enter into temptation'? I've said that I'm happy for you to produce a better parallel for the term 'give into'?
Here's a term I'm sure you'll understand: straw dogs. As we seem to be straying so far from the original point and you have now conceded that 'in to' is more than simply plausible I'll leave things as they are.
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Hi,
Let's just get the facts straight. (1) I don't understand the expression 'enter into them'.(2) 'Enter into temptation' is another kettle of fish and I wasn't referring to that. (3) You pronounced 'into' in your recording as one word. I said that 'in to' was acceptable if the stress was on the following noun after 'to' and I gave an example in my recording. Just stop messing around with what I have said, please.
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| Alan wrote: |
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Let's just get the facts straight. |
I wish! Please don't presume to tell how I have pronounced something.
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