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#3 (permalink) Fri Oct 28, 2011 22:16 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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Ah another question. :) Are they correct in any context? Or it depends? Oh and another question. There's a lot of context though so I won't type it all but it's about two guys talking about an event. They were talking about somebody they had met there and what he had done there. And then one of them said: I ______(see) him before. Is that past perfect or present perfect? |
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Cerise I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#4 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:36 am Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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Hi Cerise,
In the context of the two guys discussing what had happened, I would suggest past perfect - 'had seen'. If the 'somebody' is there as they talk about him, then you would say: I have seen him before.
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#5 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 15:43 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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What about that: Recently it hasn't been raining at all. Recently it hasn't rained at all. Now I know they are correct but is there any difference? In my exam paper there was an exercise where I had to put the verb into correct tense and I used Present Perfect Continuous but the correct answer should be in Present Perfect Simple. It doesn't make much sense to me because I think both can be correct and my answer was graded with zero points. I just need a good explanation for that (if it really is correct) so I might get some extra points. There's also context if that helps... |
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Cerise I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#6 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 18:36 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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| What was the exact wording of the sentence in the exam? |
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Dozy I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#7 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 18:39 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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| It was a dialogue. Shall I take a picture of it? |
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Cerise I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#8 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 18:55 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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| For anyone to confirm that both tenses work successfully, I think you'll have to. It may also be necessary to know how the question is phrased; in particular, whether it simply asks you to complete the sentence, or whether it asks you for the tense that fits best (or similar). |
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#9 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 19:35 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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It says "..a suitable form." The words written in pencil are the correct solutions I wrote after it had been graded(it cannot be seen well anyway). They are supposed to be "have seen" and "has parked or anything with present perfect simple". Could you have a look at all of them? And explain clearly why something is wrong or correct in case I have to explain it to the professor.
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#10 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 21:07 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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In my opinion "it hasn't rained" and "it hasn't been raining" are both suitable here.
"were you doing" is incorrect. It does not fit the sentence.
"I think I've seen one of them before" is correct (in conversation the contraction "I've" would almost always be used, unless "have" is being emphasised, which is unlikely to be the case here). "He has parked in a garage in Broad Lane", if that's what you're saying, seems unlikely (it is not impossible, but I would be very unsure that it was the expected answer).
The rest looks OK to me.
(I love the final lines. Hmmm.... now I wonder why was I robbed of my briefcase? Oh, maybe it was something to do with the £20,000 I had in it, that I forgot to mention to the police so far ...!) |
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#11 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 21:25 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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Why are both correct? I need a clear explanation. What is your suggestion for "were you doing"? Actually I didn't notice the "you" in that sentence haha. But I can't come up with a solution that fits... Why past perfect doesn't fit? In case it's difficult to read it from the pic: I HAD seen and he HAD parked. :) As in: He saw the man and then he was robbed and recognised him. Therefore past perfect. |
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#12 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 23:15 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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| Cerise wrote: |
| Why are both correct? I need a clear explanation. |
I'm afraid I have no explanation of why both are correct. It's just the way the language works.
| Cerise wrote: |
What is your suggestion for "were you doing"? Actually I didn't notice the "you" in that sentence haha. But I can't come up with a solution that fits...
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I don't know what is expected here. Although there are a million things that could go there and make some kind of sense, I can't think of anything that really seems "right". Perhaps there is something obvious that I am not seeing.
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| Why past perfect doesn't fit? In case it's difficult to read it from the pic: I HAD seen and he HAD parked. :) As in: He saw the man and then he was robbed and recognised him. Therefore past perfect. |
Oh, sorry, I thought that was crossed out. These sentences seem considerably more natural in this dialogue if you use the contractions: "I think I'd seen one of them before" / "He'd parked in a garage in Broad Lane". Both are feasible, but the second seems a little unusual. |
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#13 (permalink) Sat Oct 29, 2011 23:29 pm Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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Okay, I hope there are people who can explain that. :) So there are two of us who can't see a solution. xD That's confusing... it's supposed to be a question but I just can't find a question with "you" placed right there. At all. It might be a mistake though. Strange. So past perfect IS fine but since this is a spoken dialogue contractions sound more natural? Therefore I wasn't given enough points... bad luck huh.. Thanks for your help. :) |
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Cerise I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#14 (permalink) Sun Oct 30, 2011 0:01 am Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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| Cerise wrote: |
| So past perfect IS fine but since this is a spoken dialogue contractions sound more natural? |
In my opinion, "I think I'd seen one of them before" counts as "fine", but "He'd parked in a garage in Broad Lane" is more "possible" than "fine", in that it seems relatively unusual in this place in this dialogue. Other people may have different opinions. Actually, my first thought was "He was parked in a garage in Broad Lane." |
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Dozy I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#15 (permalink) Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:23 am Present perfect continuous or present perfect? |
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Hello Dozy,
You wrote yesterday:
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| "In my opinion "it hasn't rained" and "it hasn't been raining" are both suitable here." |
Cerise asked:
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| Why are both correct? I need a clear explanation. |
Can I ask you I am right when I think this covers two kinds of thought. This is a question of style in this case. If I say it hasn't rained = I think of the previous time. But if I say: it hasn't been raining = I think of last days.
Could I reason correctly? What is your opinion?
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