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#17 (permalink) Sun Nov 20, 2011 16:27 pm AmE or BrE ? |
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LOL. She obviously didn't like the stereotype. Did she also teach you how to spell it correctly? How would you get on with the other place names I mentioned? _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#18 (permalink) Sun Nov 20, 2011 16:37 pm AmE or BrE ? |
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| I can't always tell how to pronounce the name of every little dorf in my own state, let alone in a foreign country where people have had centuries to mangle them. There are some American place names that I REFUSE to pronounce "correctly", such as "Louisville" (which the natives call [luwəvəl]), and "New Orleans" (which people there insist is [nɔlɪnz]). I'll meet them halfway, but no further. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#19 (permalink) Sun Nov 20, 2011 16:40 pm AmE or BrE ? |
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...a nd yet you are an educated - and well travelled man... so hopefully you will see the point I am making about the pronunciation of foreign words and place names. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#20 (permalink) Sun Nov 20, 2011 16:47 pm AmE or BrE ? |
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| Yes, but I don't see why an egghead scholar narrating a British documentary on, say, the Byzantine empire mangles the place names as badly as an American child just learning to read. Is this the way he pronounces them in private moments at home and in his office, or is he doing that so that the philistines watching the program will know how to spell them? Americans generally use the etymological pronunciation, and when we see this august scholar using the spelling pronunciation, we wonder what year of school he missed when he was little. |
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#21 (permalink) Sun Nov 20, 2011 16:51 pm AmE or BrE ? |
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I will not make a guess at generalisations based on one person, especially when I didn't hear him pronounce it.
That said, I understand there are differences in its pronunciation depending on whether you have an AmE accent or BrE accent, but that is no different to pronunciation of words such as 'lieutenant'. It's accepted that there are some words where the pronunciation varies between speakers of standard dialects -- words for which there is no single most common pronunciation that is definitely preferable to others. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#22 (permalink) Sun Nov 20, 2011 17:05 pm AmE or BrE ? |
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Incidentally, in case anyone was wondering about the pronunciation of the place-names I mentioned in an earlier post: Cholmondeley - chum-lee Bicester - bis-ter Tintwistle - tinsel Mousehole - mou-zl ('mou' rhymes with 'cow') Woolfardisworthy - wool-sree _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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