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#2 (permalink) Wed Nov 23, 2011 14:12 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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Yes, H is H, X is X, S is S and Z is Z.
Don't ruin the rules. Abide by it. Value the literature and culture. They are value of mankind.
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#3 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:23 am Do you know what drives me mad? |
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| I don't hear people saying "haitch", but I often hear the British pronounce the silent H in the word "herb", which is quite annoying. |
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#4 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:47 am Do you know what drives me mad? |
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In BrEng there is no silent h in herb. The correct pronunciation is with the sounded aitch. I find it equally irritating on the ear when I hear the aitch being dropped - however, I don't find it annoying. I accept the fact that the difference is there. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:09 am Do you know what drives me mad? |
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Now I have to wonder how I actually say "herb", with or without the h. I don't actually know since I never thought about it until just now. _________________ Come talk with us in the Listening, speaking, pronunciation and accent training section of the forum! |
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#6 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:16 am Re: Do you know what drives me mad? |
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Hello Alen, Thank you so much that you told the correct pronunciation of 'h', Though I don't know if I've ever pronounced it 'haitch' instead of 'aitch' but I want to pronounce it correctly now on. I'm I pronounced correctly _________________ I was criying for a pair of shouse untill I see a person who has no legs. |
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#7 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:30 am Do you know what drives me mad? |
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Hi Bharati,
Thanks for your message. Just make the sound a little longer.
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#8 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:35 am Do you know what drives me mad? |
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Hi,
Saying 'herb' without pronouncing the 'h', would sound weird to me - make me sound a right Herbert.
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#9 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 13:17 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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| Beeesneees wrote: |
In BrEng there is no silent h in herb. The correct pronunciation is with the sounded aitch. I find it equally irritating on the ear when I hear the aitch being dropped - however, I don't find it annoying. I accept the fact that the difference is there. |
It's a French word, so the H is not pronounced. Not every word beginning with an H is pronounced as spelled. This is part of that "Buy-zann-tyne", "Antig-yoo-ah" pattern I was talking about. |
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#10 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 13:18 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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| Alan wrote: |
| Saying 'herb' without pronouncing the 'h', would sound weird to me - make me sound a right Herbert. |
To me saying it with the H makes it sound like the nickname for Herbert. |
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#11 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 13:34 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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hi Alan, I got what you have said. aitch I'm I right? i have one more question to ask you, How do you pronounce often ? because I've heard people pronouncing it in two different way.
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#12 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 13:42 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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In the United States, we were taught as kids to say "often" without the T, and our teachers would correct us if we said it the other way. However, native speakers say both, and both the Merriam-Webster and the UK Oxford dictionaries give both pronunciations, with a preference for the pronunciation without the T.
If you pronounce it without the T, you'll never be wrong. If you pronounce it with the T, you'll be right according to the dictionary, but many people will think you're pronouncing it wrong.
Now let's see what Allen says. |
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#13 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 17:06 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| It's a French word, so the H is not pronounced. |
It has been assimilated into English. English Dictionaries are full of words which have an origin in a different language.
The H is pronounced in BrE, just as colour is spelled with a 'u' and a sidewalk is a pavement!
Something which is not done 'the American way' doesn't have to be wrong. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#14 (permalink) Thu Nov 24, 2011 21:48 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Now let's see what Allen says. |
Alan, not 'Allen'.
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#15 (permalink) Fri Nov 25, 2011 23:09 pm Do you know what drives me mad? |
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Hello Alan,
It is very surprising to hear the English people pronounce H . On the you tube there are about 50 Alphabet songs and I never heard only( éits) without h. I don't wonder if it drives you mad. Here is one.Lauren who can be a very good teacher and certainly likes the children she sings it very well.
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