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there are people I wouldn't want to... #1 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:15 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

Are these sentences correct:

1-There are people I wouldn't want to enter my house.
2-There are people I wouldn't like to enter my house.
Meaning: I wouldn't want/like some people to enter my house.
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there are people I wouldn't want to... #2 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 13:08 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

Yes, they're OK.
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there are people I wouldn't want to... #3 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 13:12 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

Thanks lot Dozy.

How about:

3-There are people I would not like to see me in a place like this.
Meaning: I would not like some people to see me in a place like this.

Is 3 OK as well?
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there are people I wouldn't want to... #4 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 13:49 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

#3 seems wrong to me. However, I am puzzled by this structure, and I am not clear which kinds of statements are allowed and which are not, and why. Actually, I'm beginning to doubt my judgement on it. Can other forum members please offer their opinions?
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there are people I wouldn't want to... #5 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 16:06 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

Interesting structure! I have the same problem in that it feels wrong, but when you examine it, the logic is correct.

Similar structures are evidently correct:
There are people I would not like to see in a place like this. (I would not like to see them)
I would not like people to see me in a place like this. (People in general)
I would not like certain people to see me in a place like this. (This means the same as the original but uses a different structure)

but once you structure the phrase so that it starts with 'there are people...' using that 'me' just throws it completely 'off', even though it is logical that you need to add 'me' if you are speaking about them seeing you, rather than you seeing them.

Using a passive form works:
There are people who I would not like to be seen by in a place like this.
It's as close as I can get to the original which sounds like, but in all honesty, like Dozy, I could not argue that the original is incorrect.
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there are people I wouldn't want to... #6 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 19:52 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

Following on from Beeesneees' comments, I think the difficulties with this structure probably arise because of the ambiguity of the subject of the verb. I think in the case of #3 we are so strongly expecting the subject of "see" to be "I" that hitting "me" then throws us off balance. In other cases, as in #1 and #2, we may be more tolerant of the subject being "people".
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there are people I wouldn't want to... #7 (permalink) Sun Jan 15, 2012 23:49 pm   there are people I wouldn't want to...
 

Very interesting! Thank you Dozy and Beeesneees.
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