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#2 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:21 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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Your relative clauses list: 'Who' is widely accepted instead of 'whom', which is often viewed as stilted and old fashioned these days. However, the structures are all okay.
Make somebody do... The 'and' in the first sentence sounds a little more awkward and less fluent than the 'to' in the other two sentences, but the second and third sentences are too awkward with the 'me'. It's unnecessary and should be omitted: Even these are awkward and personally I would find another way to say them, using more than one sentence if necessary. She asked me if I could try to make him stop seeing her daughter. Is this the boy who/whom (see note above) you want me to make stop seeing your daughter. This is the boy who/whom she'd like me to make stop seeing her daughter. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#3 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:28 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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| Oh Beeesneees, are we getting rid of "whom"? Say it isn't so! |
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Luschen I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#4 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:29 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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I'm with you, but I'm telling it like it is :( _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#5 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:48 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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| I am sure they were saying the same thing when we got rid of "thee", "thou", and "ye". ;) |
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Luschen I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#6 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:48 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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Undoubtedly... and I still use 'whilst' too. Perhaps I should have stuck to my guns and not been so lenient about it (I'm certainly not so lenient about a range of other modern permutations) but I wanted Alexandro to be aware of what he was likely to see elsewhere. It was late*... I was tired... I was weak-willed.
*3.30am here. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#7 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:01 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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In Alexandro's examples there is really no need to fret about the 'who/whom' question because the simplest thing is to leave out the relative pronoun (object) altogether. 'Whom' is best left when it is in a stressed position after a proposition. Hanging on to fads about usage doesn't really help anyone.
Alan _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Present Simple |
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#8 (permalink) Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:11 am Relative clauses/ to make somebody do something/ Help me out with these, please. |
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Yes, leaving out the who/whom in all Alexandro's examples in message 1 makes each sentence more fluent. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#9 (permalink) Sun Jan 29, 2012 13:56 pm Thanks |
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Thanks Beeesneees and Alan for helping me out with these sentences. _________________ 'Everyone can mistakes! After all, nobody's perfect.' |
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| Difference | Really and still are adverbs. Front, mid or end position or three possiblities? |