Hello, I am FangFang from China

[FangFang]

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii,Tortoise:
Long time no see!!!!!!!!!!!!Where have you been??
Hope you are fine !!
ahaaa,you are quite right!"Journey to West " is well-known not only in China but other countries.It is one of four great novels in chinese history,the other three are: The Story Of The Stone ，Water Margines and The History Of The Three Kindoms（i love mostly），among them，Journey to West is most popular one，especially for young children，now is coming the Summer Vacation，they will play it on TV again，in fact，every year this drama attracts lots of audiences ，when i was a kid i was very crazy for this drama，i watched it many times，maybe ten or more！！！ OK，i don’t know it is welcomed in Vietnam！Enjoy it！！！

[FangFang]

Salaam，Dark：
First，i want to ask you a question，what does it mean“Turn the pot upside down；the girl will still be like her mother”？？？？？？？？I am interested in your proverbs！！！
Ok，your story is very moving，at least ，i am touched， ，Antarah is a real figure in your history？？？well，he is so miserable！！！！！ I just wonder what gave him courages and love to be a gifed peot and brave warrior。His wretched life experiences ？I　never read his poems，but i decide to look for those to read，hope i can find them！
Similarly，we have a deep and long culture ideology which dates back to Xia or Shang Dynasty。Now it is said that chinese history originated from Yellow River Region，there had formed many philosophical thoughts，among them the most important one is Confucianism，its founder is the Confucius！One of his famous proverbs is “a friend from far away is pleasant“（my translation） ，I think it is very suitable here！！！Confucius is regarded as a sage by chinese people，he spent all his life on teaching，his students arranged his words into a great book，The Analects of Confucius，which is a great book ，saying many reasonable idioms and giving many principles of lives！We learn it from primary school ，there are many proverbs we still quote in daily life，for instance，”among three peoples there must be one who can be your teacher！“
Confucianism plays a big role for China’s history，it advocates a positive attitude to life，advocating philanthropy
kindness ，which is really active for setting good relationships ，i think personally，that would be one of the reasons why chinese uphold family ，caring the old and the young，obliging and so on。But it doesn‘t follow that chinese are obedient，Nowadays，the world is changing with a fast pace，people’s life is changed greatly，our minds as well，but ，Confucianism is still fixed somewhere，it is our cutlure heritage ，which would be still affecting ourselves。Just like other ancient ideologies，they are parts of our cultures。There are much to say，hope i would be more proficient in them
I love to read your introductions ，pre-islam！！！！expecting！！！

[Dark magician]

Hi Shatha
In fact I find some difficult when I translating our proverbs because Arabic language has a lot of synonyms and the one word has a lot of meanings.
The previous proverb it has main meaning is any girl always do such as her mother in every thing. I see that there some words hasn't in the meaning in our proverbs but them are very important to our proverbs maybe them has meaning but I don't know.
We have a famous catch-word "our god spares our great-grandparents because they said in every thing _proverb_ ".
When we "Arabs" give advise to anybody we use the proverbs for prove our viewpoint for example if you have chance and you wait because you want a big chance but the all chances gone. When I meet you I say: " I said that to you one bird in your hand better than ten on tree".
So the proverb today: one bird in your hand better than ten on tree.
Baldly the old Arabic poetry is very difficult and when I tried translating it to English I was failed, we have a lot of old stories which happened in desert but the most stories has sad end maybe because it is truth!!
Now let me explaining to you about new literary personality it was live in my city and he famous poet in Arabic world he called "woman poet"
Nizar Qabbani (1923-1998): Syrian poet and diplomat whose subject matter, at first strictly romantic, grew to embrace political issues as well. Written in simple but eloquent language, his verses, some of which were set to music, won the hearts of countless Arabic speakers throughout the Arab World. Qabbani, who was born into a middle-class merchant family, was also the grandnephew of the pioneering Arab playwright Abu Khalil Al-Qabbani. He studied law at the University of Damascus (graduated in 1945), then began his varied career as a diplomat. He served in the Syrian embassies in Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, Britain, China, and Spain before retiring in 1966 and moving to Beirut, Lebanon, where he founded the Manshurat Nizar Qabbani, a publishing company. Meanwhile, he also wrote much poetry, at first in classic forms, then in free verse, which he helped establish in modern Arabic poetry. His poetic language is noted for capturing the rhythms of everyday Syrian speech.
The suicide of his sister, who was unwilling to marry a man she did not love, had a profound effect on Qabbani, and much of his poetry concerns the experiences of women in traditional Arab society. Verses on the beauty and desirability of women filled Qabbani's first four collections. Qasa'id min Nizar Qabbani (1956; "Poems by Nizar Qabbani") was a turning point in his art; in it he expressed resentment of male chauvinism. It also included his famed "Bread, Hashish and Moon," a harsh attack on weak, impoverished societies that live in a haze of fantasies. Thereafter, he often wrote from a woman's viewpoint and advocated social freedoms for women. His Hawamish 'Ala daftar al-naksa (1967; "Marginal Notes on the Book of Defeat") was a stinging critique of unrealistic Arab leadership during the Six-Day War with Israel. Among his more than 20 poetry collections, the most noted volumes are Habibati (1961; "My Beloved") and Al-rasm bi-al-kalimat (1966; "Drawing with Words"). Qasa'id hubb 'Arabiyah ("Arabian Love Poems") was published in 1993.
And now I'll tell you about some from his poetry
I have no power
"I have no power to change you
or explain your ways
Never believe a man can change a woman
Those men are pretenders
who think
that they created woman
from one of their ribs
Woman does not emerge from a man's rib's, not ever,
it's he who emerges from her womb
like a fish rising from depths of water
and like streams that branch away from a river
It's he who circles the sun of her eyes
and imagines he is fixed in place
I have no power to tame you
or domesticate you
or mitigate your first instincts
This task is impossible
I've tested my intelligence on you
also my dumbness
Nothing worked with you, neither guidance
nor temptation
Stay primitive as you are
I have no power to break your habits
for thirty years you have been like this
for three hundred years
a storm trapping in a bottle
a body by nature sensing the scent of a man
assaults it by nature
triumphs over it by nature
Never believe what a man says about himself
that he is the one who makes the poems
and makes the children
It is the woman who writes the poems
and the man who signs his name to them
It is the woman who bears the children
and the man who signs at the maternity hospital
that he is the father
I have no power to change your nature
my books are of no use to you
and my convictions do not convince you
nor does my fatherly council do you any good
you are the queen of anarchy, of madness, of belonging
to no one
Stay that way
You are the tree of femininity that grows in the dark
needs no sun or water
you the sea princess who has loved all men
and loved no one
slept with all men ... and slept with no one
you are the Bedouin woman who went with all the tribes
and returned a virgin
Stay that way."

this is photo to Nizar Qabbani
my love

[Hercules]

Hi Mba...

your informations is very interesting and important ..

and Mr. Qabbani one of the most important versifiers in Arab world , maybe not in Arab world but in the world ..

by the way my project in the university was about him , and he called the versifier of the homeland and women...

Thank you Mba for this information ..

Herc

[FangFang]

Salaam(Ni Hao):Dark
Your posts are really instructive and interesting.Many thanks!i'd like to spend much time reading them to know new things.Xie xie(thanks)
In literature there are considerable quatities of works about Women。 They are mostly charactered with kindness，mercy，sympathy and greatness ，etc。Just like the great pre-Soviet writer Golgi, his "Mother" is an ordinary but brave woman, Leo Tolstoy(Russian writer),also,gives Anna a life full of love and pain,"Jane Eyre" (i prefer),bright ,intelectual and confident ,to much extent,she is in the name of Neo_Woman ,shaped by Charlotte Bront ,"Carrie Sister" wanted to lauch a new life,leaft for Chicago ,where she started from scratch.
after experiencing a lot she became a star .Theodore Dreiser endowed her with a simple mind ,even some ignorance,but finally she was successful ,got what she wanted......
But almostly we could find other words to describe women, as follows:weak,humble,timid and so on.They are by no means fictioned in literature,they are real reflections of lives.Even nowadays,we may not match women with those words,but they are still there.Mostly because of the visible differences in the sexual organs and related differences in the role each sex plays in the reproductive process,male have been observed in various cultures to be more likely to initiate activity.Females have been observed to be more altruistic ,that is ,more helpful to others,than males.Even so,women still have many difficulties than men,someday when we talk this mindlessly,almostly many people won't give their viewpoints openly or just give attitudes reluctantly.What made that,Some say ,it is the product of a specific cultural upbringing.
Education problem,when we are in elementary schools,boys and girls seemingly have same oppertunities of study,even those teachers who don't think themselves as sex-discriminators,can't find reasonable excuses that boys are always encouraged more to do exercises in Libaries than girls,some american teacher assume that boys will do better in the "hard ","masculine"subjects of match and science,whereas girls are expected to have better verbal and reading skills,do you think it "sex-biased education"? family education included,do you still remember what the days were at your six age,boys have more out-doors room than girls,who are educated to stay at home ,even outside ,they should be asked to play whithin their parents' eyesights.Funny,those "lessons" carry over from the home to the classroom,where girls are generally observed to be more dependent on the teacher,more concerned with the form and neatness of their work than with its content,and more anxious about being "right "in their answers than in being intellectually independent,analytical,or original......
Will that be true all the time____Only women can bear children ,and only women can nurse them?although there is some cultural variability in the degree to which men also take care of their young offspring.Some social scientists insisit that the woman's role has always been essential in transmitting cultureal values from one generation to the next and that this conservative function is a key to social stability(really?),Somewhat it may be changed,but in its most important aspects it will remain what it has been in almost every culture (your country mostly?) for thousands of years!!!!
OK,some people advocate more chances given to women,even in today's affluent countries and in socialist countries(China as well),they try to liberate women from domestic duties by providing job chances,large-scale day care,Yet,one can hardly say that women's roles have changed radically,even where women have moved into the employment market on a technical ,business,or professional level,it has mainly been in areas such as nursing,teaching,business,or clerical work(many men think women should do women work)which represent an extension of traditional maternal-housekeeping roles.Hardly to conclude we have found a satisfied answer,but ,what does appear certain is that the basic biological tendencies characteristic of one sex or the otherare resposive to every extreme of cultural conditioning!!!!!!!!!!
However,when we read those romantic poems,we never feel sad but gratified......Thanks Again!

[FangFang]

Salaam,Hercules
Welcome !!!Have a cup of tea here!

[FangFang]

Hi,Dark:
Thanks for your"I have no Power",i have been checking his"My Love" from Nizar Qabbani,by the way,what do you thin woman's role ? how about women in Syria,their job,life,education......

[Dark magician]

Hi fangfang
How are you?
I prefer before I talk about position women in my country now. I must give you some truths about women in our history.
In the old history before nativity we were respect the woman and we had so much form great women such as queen Palmyra Zanobia and queen Egypt kilo-patra.
And in Islamic age we command from our god and our massager (Mohammad)
We liberate the women from any iniquitousness. The woman before Islam she is grave and still she life and she didn't parity any thing maybe the animal better than woman and she was just maidservant to men but when come Islam to our countries it block all that. And the woman became nurse and doctor and warrior and teacher and the last a will our massager (Mohammad) is: you must do all well-being with women.
But unfortunately in century nineteen and twenty the ignorance control at minds the men and they did all bad things against the woman, so crop out some versifiers and writers whose defiance on woman droit such as Nizar Qabbani.
But now the woman in my country she is free and she can do any thing if she wants.
And now I'll give some information and counting about woman in my country:
We have women Members in parliament and we have woman minister and woman deputy president republican and a lot of woman officer.
And these some count about woman in my country:(education)
Par adult women whose know read and write?
2001 1999 1994 1970
91.6% 89% 87% 58%
Par students in elementary school:
2001 1999 1994 1970
48% 48% 49% 47%
Par students in secondary school:
2001 1999 1994 1970
71% 62% 23% 15%
And in next post I'll tell you about great woman from my country.
With love

[FangFang]

Hiiii,Dark:
Nice talking to you,where did you get those figures?I ask you that for i am curious ,Maybe i have been confused by some movies which tell few things about women compared with men you there,I wonder if it is true that Men enjoy their rights more than women,especially in a family !In our neiboring country,Korea,i know it is true.But,chinese women are not the same, ,at least,i think it is!To much extent ,women do things better than men,like football(oh, though i don't want to say here,but it is the truth!LOL) ,Our foreign trade business official is Lady Wu Yi (vice president),The CEO Of Shang Hai Steel Company Limited(the biggest steel company in China) is Lady Xie,our Number one Volleyball team are all girls,table tennis as well.......Even in family woman is the master,LOL,,,,ok,Maybe it isn't all the case,but ,it is real!
Well,i am still in Library,time is limited,I 'd like to post here later,Zai Jian(byeeeeee) (Moring to Syria!)

[Dark magician]

Hi fangfang
I hope you be have nice time today. In this post I chose to you this proverb form our tradition:
Let your money be insulted but not yourself
Rather than ask favors, do the thing yourself
Ok, sure you can know provenance last information is "Central Bureau of Statistic" in my country Syria.
Now I'll give you small article about one of great women in my country:

Shou'aa, Ghada (1972-): Syrian athlete. Born in Mouhrada, a town in the Governorate of Hama, she started her sports career as a basketball player in the National Team before switching to heptathlon. She participated in the 1991 World Championships in Japan and placed last. In 1993, she won the silver medal in the Mediterranean Games in France. Her first great achievement was the Gold medal at the World Championship in Gothenburg, Sweden in 1995, when she won the title with a comfortable margin. In 1996, Shouaa won Syria's first Olympic medal in the Olympic Games that were held in Atlanta, United States. In the following season, she suffered a serious injury and she was out of the scene till 1999, when she participated in the World Championship but placed third. Injury prevented her from defending her title in the Olympic games in Sydney, Australia in 2000.
Maybe you can tell me about your live and your family and daily your life because you girl and you better than me in speak about this subject.
With love

[FangFang]

HIIII,Dark:
Have your tea here!
Here are coming hot summer days,i am busy with my paper design.Lots of materials must be collected,hope i can "enjoy" the following months,
My main job now is doing researches about Foreign Currency Risks Control ，it isn't only a theoretical but practicable job，a popular and hot issue in many fields，like Bank，Stock Exchange ，Multinationals ，Domestic Companies and so on。
Aha，i don’t know much about basketball，hehehe，but many boys and girls here love to play it，even in hot noon！！！Though it is our national basketball team didn’t get good scores except Yao （he is in US ），hope they appear to be better in 2008 。I like playing table tennis， It is a kind of national sports，hehehe，really！！！Maybe for China has put much into this sports and develop it very well，it is called “PingPong” too，a small ball，which is hard to control its direction ，let alone power，that makes it challenging，what‘s more，it is a good sports to improve one’s acute intelligence，that‘s why good players are mostly clever， Now，except China，Korea ，Germany，Sweden ，some southern asian countries are all good at it too，we are facing much competition now，anyway，i like playing it just for enjoying myself（no chances for Championship）
Did you see World Cup？I guess the winner is either Argentina or Brazil，but so far，i still can’t understand what offside is
well，write here，talk to you later！

[Hercules]

[Dark magician]

Hi FangFang
How are you today?
In my city the weather is very hot and I'll have bronze skin today because my entire job was out my office.
I asked my friend about your problem and he said maybe your proxy or port but anyway I am here if you want any thing.
I am fan Arabic teams in this cup and Argentina or Brazil just for u.
Really I want to know about your life what are doing. Where are you go, in this hot summer? What do like? Maybe you can tell my about (chinese girl life -you-)
With love

[FangFang]

Salaam,Dark:
Nice to hear that ,"Argetina or Brazil ,just for you!!hahahahahahaa,ok,Joking!
ohhhhhhhhhh,i don't know what other chinese girl's life is looking like,mine is pooooooooorrrrrrrrrrr! i have written a small piece of article posted in TOFEL FORUM,mmmm,just want to practise my writings,it is a bit hard for me ,hehhe,for in my free time i 've got used to writing in papers,but ,if you write something posted there,it should be a little formal,personally,i think,given a topic you must have a good consideration and give your viewpoints logically,i hope you give me some advice too!!!!!!!(go to read it ) you know??here i can write to you in a free way
The weather here is veeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrry hot ,as i said i hoped to stay in icebox NOW!I want to hide myself somewhere if possible,hehehhehehe,nobody can find you ......This Summer seems to be stuffed Even it is i plan to travel ，maybe Shang Hai City （everything is changing，my mind included）LOL，i am not sure of it。。。。。。
How about your job？outdoor -kitchem -designer？ mmm，where can i see your design？？？i am interested in indoor ornaments，just love to watch them but have no more knowledges You know？？？？Decoration becomes hot these years in China，for the housing industry is developing fastly，I can see many high buildings everywhere，so Decorative markets become hot too，absolutely，personally，i think housing is the biggest industry in China，Maybe you can bring your arabic style here
Now it is deep night here，i‘d better hit the hay now！！！Talk to you soon！！！！So Long！

[Dark magician]

Hi Shatha
first I'll write to you a big post on saturday and I'll tell you about my work out door and in door. because tomorrow I might go to swimming pool.
and I'll send you pic from my job "our gallery and goods and 3d photos from my work"
oh yes can you tell me when your weekend because my weekend is friday.
i hope to you nice weekend ... oppss.. not your weekend but in every moment
Mba