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In the present tense, "have" and "have got" mean exactly the same thing. You can use the two sentences interchangeably.
However, in other tenses things get a little stickier, because US and Canadian English still use the past participle "gotten". So in those countries, "I have got your message," means, "I have your message," but, "I have gotten your message," means, "I have received your message." British English has lost the participle "gotten", so they can't make this distinction with a verb tense, as far as I know. |
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| #3 (permalink) Sun Jan 29, 2012 22:18 pm have got/ have |
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What's the difference between 'I have your message' and 'I have received your message'?
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| #4 (permalink) Sun Jan 29, 2012 22:24 pm have got/ have |
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"I have your message," means, "Your message is in my possession."
"I have received your message," means, "Your message has arrived and I have it."
The distinction in subtle, but it's real. It's a matter of the message existing in a place, as opposed to the message moving from place to place. |
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| #5 (permalink) Sun Jan 29, 2012 22:48 pm have got/ have |
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It's so subtle that there's no point. If the message is in your possession then you have received it.
I'm not trying to be awkward, but I really don't see the point of the distinction and it interests me.
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| #6 (permalink) Sun Jan 29, 2012 23:05 pm have got/ have |
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It's not so subtle that there's no point. Motion and state are two important distinctions in language.
Maybe because you don't make that tense distinction you don't see it as important, but it's important in our minds. It may be more important in one situation that the person merely has the message. In another situation it may be more important that delivery of the message has been successful and that it has arrived.
Another one you probably don't think is important:
"I have got to go."
= I must go.
"I have gotten to go."
= I have been allowed to go (or given the privilege of going). |
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| #7 (permalink) Mon Jan 30, 2012 0:06 am have got/ have |
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You're right. There I'd simply use:
I have to go / I'm allowed to go
Then it's clear.
To make the earlier distinction, I'd use:
I have your message /I got your message.
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| #8 (permalink) Mon Jan 30, 2012 0:24 am have got/ have |
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| Beeesneees wrote: |
You're right. There I'd simply use:
I have to go / I'm allowed to go |
It doesn't quite capture the distinction, because, "I have gotten to go," is the past perfect of, "I get to go," which indicates something more special than merely permission. It indicates there is an unexpected reward or privilege involved.
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To make the earlier distinction, I'd use:
I have your message /I got your message. |
The second one is what the ESL textbooks claim North Americans do. It indicates receipt during a completed time with no current relevance. It would have to be in the present perfect if the issue is still relevant. |
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