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#2 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 13:29 pm Re: Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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Last time I tried to answer a maths-related question here I think I messed up, but here goes anyway...!
I think the question is badly formulated, and the answer depends on unexplained details of the judges' behaviour. If the judges cannot tell the difference between the formulas (but are forced to give an answer anyway), then they are equally likely to choose any glass,* and so there is a 2/3 chance that a judge will choose B. If the judges can tell the difference, and realise they have been given two glasses of B and one of A, but find both equally attractive, then arguably they are likely to choose randomly between A and B, so there is a 1/2 chance that a judge will choose B.
*I'm assuming the glasses are not labelled "A" and "B".
(To literally answer your question, you tell if a judge states a preference for formula B by asking him and listening to his answer. However, I suppose that is not what you are really asking.) |
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#3 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 14:17 pm Re: Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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Hi Dozy, how are you doing lately? For some reason I know that you've been inactive for quite awhile back. Whatever it is, I hope everything is GOOD with you now.
I particularly like your explanation (without a doubt) and I'm more inclined to believe the latter is true.
Please allow me to say a very heartfelt thanks and also ask another math question.
There are 5 different color balls in a jar. What is the probability that in picking and replacing five balls, that two of them were either green or purple?
I actually mean to ask the probability that will result in the following outcomes: (Green or purple ball) and (Green or purple ball) and 3 other colored balls
In this case, do you think the question above carries the intended meaning?
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#4 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 15:12 pm Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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With questions like this, I think you have to take pains to spell everything out in laborious detail, otherwise it is very easy for ambiguities to creep in. As a first stab, and if I understood correctly, I would suggest something like this:
"A jar contains five balls, each of a different colour, including one green ball and one purple ball. A ball is selected at random, inspected, and then returned to the jar. This procedure is carried out a total of five times. Of the five balls selected, what is the probability that exactly one is green and exactly one is purple?" |
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#6 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 16:17 pm Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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"A jar contains five balls, each of a different colour, including one green ball and one purple ball. A ball is selected at random, inspected, and then returned to the jar. This procedure is carried out a total of five times. Of the five balls selected, what is the probability that exactly one is green and exactly one is purple?"
Hmm...that is a little off the mark, Dozy. By "There are 5 different color balls in a jar. What is the probability that in picking and replacing five balls, that two of them were either green or purple?" I mean one of the draw could be either a green or a purple ball, and another draw could also be either a green or purple ball, and then the rest of the three draws must be balls of different colors (but not green or purple). This doesn't necessary give us exactly one green and exactly one purple ball combinations of possibilities because if I draw a green ball in one of the draw and another green ball in another draw (where these two draws are bounded with restriction) and I further draw another 3 different colors balls, that would not give us the outcome that exactly one is green and exactly one is purple ball. *Sigh*... I think I've expressed the question badly. |
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#7 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 19:32 pm Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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Oops, apologies, my mistake for not reading your post properly.
Unfortunately, I can't at the moment think of any appealing and succinct way to express the required meaning. I'm not a huge fan of "What is the probability that two of them are either green or purple?". It seems hard to understand. However, more explicit alternatives seem to get very wordy. If you do stick with that wording then I think you should say "exactly two" rather than "two". This is because "two" could be interpreted as "at least two".
If I think of anything better, I will return ... or perhaps another forum member can see a way... |
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#8 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 19:41 pm Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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Hi Isbell,
How about this:
A jar contains five balls, each of a different colour, including one green ball and one purple ball. A ball is selected at random, inspected, and then returned to the jar. This procedure is carried out a total of five times. Of the five balls selected, what is the probability that one will definitely be green and one definitely be purple?
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#9 (permalink) Wed Feb 08, 2012 19:51 pm Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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| Alan wrote: |
| Of the five balls selected, what is the probability that one will definitely be green and one definitely be purple? |
Alan, I don't think that's what Isbell means... As I now understand it, it's possible also to have two greens (and no purples), or two purples (and no greens). |
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#10 (permalink) Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:52 am Each judge is asked to state which glass he most enjoyed. |
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| Alan wrote: |
A jar contains five balls, each of a different colour, including one green ball and one purple ball. A ball is selected at random, inspected, and then returned to the jar. This procedure is carried out a total of five times. Of the five balls selected, what is the probability that one will definitely be green and one definitely be purple?
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This sounds incorrect too, Alan. I mean, if I draw two green balls in any of the two draws (where these two draws are bounded by the restriction that stated that two of them were either green or purple and still, we have this restriction satisfied after drawing two green balls) and then I further draw another 3 different colors balls, that would not give us the result as the question states (definitely one green and definitely one purple ball.) Do you have any other ideas, please? By the way, I'm so thankful to have you for helping me to rephrase the question.
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Unfortunately, I can't at the moment think of any appealing and succinct way to express the required meaning. I'm not a huge fan of "What is the probability that two of them are either green or purple?". It seems hard to understand. However, more explicit alternatives seem to get very wordy. If you do stick with that wording then I think you should say "exactly two" rather than "two". This is because "two" could be interpreted as "at least two". If I think of anything better, I will return ... or perhaps another forum member can see a way... |
All right. In the mean time, I'll keep the original wording and replace "two" by "exactly two" just to make it sounds a little better, thanks for the help, as usual, Dozy! |
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